Did anyone install one yet?If so can you answer the usual questions ,ie fit finish,ease of instalation.Of couse any feel gains of extra oomph,from install?If you already got a Black Wing it seems to be a good cost savings alt. to getting a Honker.The B/W seems to have the most advanced filter media & thats why I 'd like to keep it & also get the best benefits from a C/A package.

Did do the Coplymer ( paper holder) duct on the shroud but engine surging is hapening,this Ice box product I was told will eliminate this.Hope I dont have to buy a new shroud cause cut mine doing the mod?It woud be also intersting if you could find a way to relocate the MAS A/F sensor with this set up like with the Honker?Any valuable input of those who actually done it is appreciated!Thanx...

 

 

I hade surging issues with mine as well. SO i dumped the blackwing and got the B-2 Vararam. No more surging. I tried all the tips and suggestions of tightening and looking for leaks past the MAF. There wernt any so I got fed up and Im at a happier place with the vararam. Goodluck

 

I have the Blackwing with the shroud and cold air mod and it works perfectly.

 

Pics? Curious about this mod.

Thanks
Fej

 

http://www.conceptualpolymer.com/corvette_c5_corner.htm

 

My first Intake mod on the ZO6 was the Blackwing, improvement over the OEM air box, no doubt.

I was having sometime surging when cruising, and I decide to find a solution through the MAF, always keeping in mind that there is a Tiger Shark front end on the ZO6.
Nothing positive was found around the MAF.
A part of the solution was to close partially the main screen in the Tiger Shark front fascia, having for results to increase the temp under the hood and also the air intake temp.


I decided to go for an "Air Cold Intake" or ACI that is more a “Enclosed Air Filter Intake” , the “cold air” in the best case is the outside air temp, an item that is using the cut in the shroud of the radiator.

NO MORE SURGING...
It came as a conclusion that the Blackwing was grabbing sometime cold air from the opening in the front fascia and sometime hot air from under the hood, which was causing the VCM to change his setting quickly and the relearn time was too short.

At this time I was not satisfied by my IAT, more than 14°F of variation, depending of the speed (HPTuner monitored).
I decided to go back to the BLACKWING plus the ICEBOX, combining a high flow filter with an enclosed air box with a big air volume, always through the shroud, and I added the conceptualpolymer.com mod.

This combo is working really well, surging is totally gone and my IAT are more consistent now, in a range of 5°F, and less speed related.

I am satisfied of the Blackwing IceBox combo and see no reason to go back to another CAI.

Christian
A pic of the ICEBOX in the ZO6

 

Two observations...

I don't think the previous post photo is that of the actual "icebox" product sold by TEAMZR1 but a custom job he did to accomplish the same thing.

I looked at all the pieces that came with my Blackwing and it appears you could move the mass air sensor up to the throttle body with just a one or two more couplers if that is what you want to do...

My question is why would you want to move it there?

 

Hi Nithros

I just purchased my ICEBOX from TEAMZR1 and JR was very helpful.

The custom job you are speaking about is certainly related to the "aluminium aspect" you are seeing in the picture over the ICEBOX.

You are right, I did accomplish the coverage of my ICEBOX myself, using the same ISOLATING MATERIAL that we use in racing car for the air-box.
The purpose of this is to keep the IAT as stable as possible and to isolate the air-box from the Radiant Temperature.

I agree with you Nitros, the look of my ICEBOX is maybe not at the level of some others ACI, but the combo BLACKWING/ICEBOX/INSULATION is putting down Intake Air Temperature numbers (HP Tuner recorded) pretty amazing compare to the measurement I did myself with others combo (that I tried to optimized)

Nitros, I apologise, I forgot to speak about the Heat Insulation Process in my previous post, my bad.
I hope now my complete previous post makes more sens for you.
Christian

PS: about the MAF, I decided to go the SD TUNE Way.......

 

THats where the C6 has it & where the Honker for the C5 relocates the MAFS.Don't know if there is a reason why ?

 

The F-Body's have it there also. I think GM could have put it either place. I just wonder why they chose the spot they used.

 

I'm sorry if you took that as a slam because it wasn't and I certainly understand function over form especially when it's not visible except when the hood is open. I still run my stock Z06 wheels because I can't bring myself to either put heavier ones on (chromies) or to pony up the 4 large for some CCW's or something. Anyway, I apologize if you or anyone thought I was criticizing your set up because that was not the case.

I am very interested in what you did since I too was considering the Icebox for my Blackwing. I love the Blackwing and think it is a superior filter but the thing I didn't like was watching the IAT go up at a redlight or in traffic or in the staging lanes at the track. (I considered the Vararram but due to the filter quality issues and the fact that it impedes the engine cooling affect of the air from the front vents I have pretty much decided to stay with what I have.) Once moving, the IAT come back pretty close to ambient.

I guess my question to you is how well does the Icebox seal off the engine compartment air as is (I'm asking about sealing here not radiant heat)? Also, did you test the IAT with just the Icebox and no insulation?

 

Check this out.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...4&page=1&pp=20

 

Thanks for all here who gave info.I think since I already have a B/W & have surging probs. with the homemade dudct I'm going to make this my next mod.Already cut a hole in the rad. shroud of course ,so I wonder how big can the square hole be to put in the "Ice Box"?I'm leary of getting the V.ram becuase of fit & filter issues & don't think the media of any filter is as good as the B/W.

 

The opening should not extend past the Blackwing.

 

The secret is to completely seal the filter to the shroud. Since all the problems are result of ambient air mixing with heated engine air, the better the seal the less chance of a problem.

 

Keep in mind that the C5 Z06 comes from the factory with cold air coming in through the front fascia. As far as I know they have no "problems" because of mixing cold and warm air. As a matter of fact, I'll bet plastic and rubber components in their engine bays last longer than do C5s with sealed-up air boxes and closed fog light panels. Keeping the engine bay cooler can only be a good thing when it comes to part longevity. Certainly, if you drive in mostly stop&go traffic with your C5, having cold air at all times AND allowing plenty of cold air into the engine bay is a good thing.
I think it would be safe to say that most of drive our C5s at average speeds of more than 30 MPH. During these conditions, bringing outside air in towards the air filter and into the engine bay at the same time is better than restricting it to a small area around the air filter. I've recorded very consistent cold intake air temps during normal driving and have never had a surging issue. Now I could have changed that scenario quite easily by removing my MAF screen or the stainless steel mesh screen that produces laminar flow of air toward my air filter. In other words, stay away from turbulent air and you've eliminated one of the major causes of a rough-running engine.

 

You may want to read this before buying a blackwing

Article on the Honker vs. Blackwing

 

Is that a test with the B/W & Icebox set up?

 

Iditched my blackwing because of pinging probs. My fog light housings are wide open. I went back to the stock air box W/ a K&N & a Z06 lid. Car feels awsome and could not be running any better. I think I was getting to much turbulance at the air sensor. I wonder if elevation plays a part in all this. I'm in vegas and I think I am petty much close to sea level.