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Old Jan 13, 2006 | 08:57 AM
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why a solid roller and not a hydrolic roller? isnt a solid roller for race only??
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Old Jan 13, 2006 | 09:21 AM
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why a solid roller and not a hydrolic roller? isnt a solid roller for race only??
With a cam that radical, it probably has to be a solid roller.
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Old Jan 13, 2006 | 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by John Shiels
This is your motor? If so can't wait to see the results
That's Phil's personal motor.

I wish this was my motor. No, Phil just finished mine. Mine's an anemic little M6 C5 that runs around with only 460-470 RWHP. I just wanted something for running out to the grocery store, etc. Phil'S getting a set of 3.90's for me which should help it a little. Phil's tuning is second to none.

That's Phil's personal motor.

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Old Jan 13, 2006 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by 9secondflat
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why a solid roller and not a hydrolic roller? isnt a solid roller for race only??
Who told you solid rollers were race only? Someone was wrong....
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Old Jan 13, 2006 | 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by John Shiels
This is your motor? If so can't wait to see the results



I like your set-up from the intake down. What couplers did you use? Did you custom build the ducting? Will it hook directly into a vararam? The colors look great with the valve covers and intake.

Good luck with it.
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Old Jan 13, 2006 | 02:03 PM
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I like your set-up from the intake down. What couplers did you use? Did you custom build the ducting? Will it hook directly into a vararam? The colors look great with the valve covers and intake.

Good luck with it.
We used Hose Techniques 4" hose, used 4" aluminum U-bends and I tig welded it. Its going to bolt right to the Vararam and eliminate the need for the bottleneck MAF. Thanks! Eventually we're going to have a set of custom sheet metal valve covers made for both motors.
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Old Jan 14, 2006 | 09:50 AM
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T T T - Motor should fire sunday afternoon assuming we can get the radiator support finished.
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Old Jan 14, 2006 | 12:25 PM
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Old Jan 14, 2006 | 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by John Shiels
Low overhead, low pressure = high enjoyment
You forgot two other compnents to the equation that he has: Know-how and interpersonal skills
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Old Jan 14, 2006 | 12:57 PM
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Phil, you're running the car in speed density without a MAF?
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Old Jan 14, 2006 | 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by SpinMonster
Phil, you're running the car in speed density without a MAF?
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Whats funny, we fired up Sam's car and after it warmed up we noticed that the LTFT weren't cycling. It was an old SD program. We're definitely going without the MAF and speed density 100%.
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Old Jan 14, 2006 | 05:43 PM
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how much more does it cost to go solid roller!!

so the CR you are running does not require you to run race fuel?

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Old Jan 14, 2006 | 06:31 PM
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Phil what do you got in the motor build. Did you buy everythig new?
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Old Jan 14, 2006 | 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by IT P.S.I.
how much more does it cost to go solid roller!!

so the CR you are running does not require you to run race fuel?
Running higher octane is a requirement of dynamic compression and not that of static compression. The size of the cam on intake duration and lobe separation angle dictates where the intake valve closes while the picton is rising on the compression stroke. If the intake valve isn't yet closed while the piston is comming up then it doesn't start to build compression since the cylinder isn't sealed. The bigger the cam, the later the intake valve closes.

The compression then isnt a fuction of displacement then (static compression) but rather the displacement starting from the point the intake valve closes relative to the piston's position. Static compression such as his 12.3:1 is what it would be if the piston was building compression from the bottom of the cylinder and the intake valve was closed while in that position which is never the case.
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Old Jan 14, 2006 | 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by IT P.S.I.
how much more does it cost to go solid roller!!

so the CR you are running does not require you to run race fuel?
No, just a tune thats dead on. Going to a solid roller probably costs 1700 or so.
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Old Jan 14, 2006 | 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by sprayedc5
Phil what do you got in the motor build. Did you buy everythig new?
Honestly, if I told you, you wouldn't believe me. I can get you a retail figure.
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Old Jan 14, 2006 | 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by SpinMonster
Running higher octane is a requirement of dynamic compression and not that of static compression. The size of the cam on intake duration and lobe separation angle dictates where the intake valve closes while the picton is rising on the compression stroke. If the intake valve isn't yet closed while the piston is comming up then it doesn't start to build compression since the cylinder isn't sealed. The bigger the cam, the later the intake valve closes.

The compression then isnt a fuction of displacement then (static compression) but rather the displacement starting from the point the intake valve closes relative to the piston's position. Static compression such as his 12.3:1 is what it would be if the piston was building compression from the bottom of the cylinder and the intake valve was closed while in that position which is never the case.
You hit the nail on the head. Its not SCR that determines if a car will run on pump fuel its DCR. Our DCR is in the mid to low 9s where our old motor was low 9s.
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Old Jan 14, 2006 | 07:59 PM
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whens it goin to the dyno...curious on numbers? also id like a vid thats things gonna scream.
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Old Jan 14, 2006 | 08:19 PM
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With the way phil drives I see his car going deep low 10's maybe a high 9's with this new N/A setup. Who knows where it will go with the direct port nitrous shot.
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Old Jan 14, 2006 | 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by gsxzo6
whens it goin to the dyno...curious on numbers? also id like a vid thats things gonna scream.
I am not a big fan of the dyno, my car is tuned on the street for the street/strip.
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