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Old Jun 16, 2006 | 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by vetteless tech
I have tested both systems on the track and at the shop dyno with both generations of C5 and C6 corvettes. And the Callaway HONKER was best for power overall others. The Vortex box intake does better than the Vararam system. Just telling you the facts. Installation is easier on the HONKER too. Spend the extra money and get the tuned after to achive your moneys worth out of any of the intakes you buy. Tuning with LS edit not the little hand held units. Good luck.
I tried many intake systems and VARARAM is the best... performance wise....

It doesnt look good, but who cares????? MOst of the stuff that dont look good you cant see anyways, its hiddden under the bumper......

If it performs who cares what it looks like??????

VARARAM is the best bang for your $ especially when you buy it USED...

DOnt bash on vararam just beacuse you have a HONKER........

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Old Jun 17, 2006 | 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Frankie2blue
Is there anything that makes this screen different than some you can get at home depot or somewhere? It looks like the whole bottom of the shroud opening facing the road is covered.That certainly ought to keep most stuff out.
I used the screen from Home Depot. At $8 for a full piece you have enough material to make at least 6 screens. It looks to me to be the same material Mid-America uses at $60 for a kit. It will keep out larger junk such as leaves or a MickeyD fry container that I found stuck in my radiator.

If you have a problem with the Honker sitting too high in relation to the mounting pins on the radiator cover after installing, the problem is that the hole was cut too high up in the shroud. Try to adjust your filter mounting downward, and the Honker will move closer to the pins.
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Old Jun 17, 2006 | 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by MUKAKsC5
I tried many intake systems and VARARAM is the best... performance wise....

It doesnt look good, but who cares????? MOst of the stuff that dont look good you cant see anyways, its hiddden under the bumper......

If it performs who cares what it looks like??????

VARARAM is the best bang for your $ especially when you buy it USED...

DOnt bash on vararam just beacuse you have a HONKER........


how well does it filter the air?

I don't own one but I have heard that it does not seal very well, which is the chief job of an air filter...
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Old Jun 17, 2006 | 02:00 AM
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Originally Posted by jdmvette
how well does it filter the air?

I don't own one but I have heard that it does not seal very well, which is the chief job of an air filter...
I have a K&N filter in the VARARAM and it does the job as good as the HONKER.....

for extra protection you could use High Temp SILICONE to seal the K&N inside the Vararam.
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Old Jun 17, 2006 | 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by striper
I used the screen from Home Depot. At $8 for a full piece you have enough material to make at least 6 screens. It looks to me to be the same material Mid-America uses at $60 for a kit. It will keep out larger junk such as leaves or a MickeyD fry container that I found stuck in my radiator.

If you have a problem with the Honker sitting too high in relation to the mounting pins on the radiator cover after installing, the problem is that the hole was cut too high up in the shroud. Try to adjust your filter mounting downward, and the Honker will move closer to the pins.

I was in too much of a hurry and just bought one after seeing it I'm sure you can do as well yourself although The best material would be aluminium as it would not rust and I could not find any locally.
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Old Jun 17, 2006 | 11:19 AM
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Is the Home Depot screen aluminum or stainless or is it just steel? It would pay to have something rustproof, and not have to mess with it twice.
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Old Jun 18, 2006 | 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by MUKAKsC5

DOnt bash on vararam just beacuse you have a HONKER........

This guy is a tech at one of the supporting vendors. He doesn't own a 'Vette. I think he might know what he's talking about.
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Old Jun 18, 2006 | 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by vetteless tech
I have tested both systems on the track and at the shop dyno with both generations of C5 and C6 corvettes. And the Callaway HONKER was best for power overall others. The Vortex box intake does better than the Vararam system. Just telling you the facts. Installation is easier on the HONKER too. Spend the extra money and get the tuned after to achive your moneys worth out of any of the intakes you buy. Tuning with LS edit not the little hand held units. Good luck.
So what specific power differences did you notice and track results??
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Old Jun 18, 2006 | 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by MUKAKsC5
for extra protection you could use High Temp SILICONE to seal the K&N inside the Vararam.


That's what I did. I have to say that the fit isn't great, so with the filter siliconed in I don't worry about it now.
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Old Jun 18, 2006 | 10:15 AM
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It's still amazing to me that with all the time that the Vararam has been out, and they are now on the second generation, that these problems have not been addressed. You should not have to silicone the filter in if it were properly designed in the first place. I know they do a great job as far as performance, but these issues have been discussed since the introduction of this unit and have not yet been rectified. To each his own.
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Old Jun 19, 2006 | 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Frankie2blue
It's still amazing to me that with all the time that the Vararam has been out, and they are now on the second generation, that these problems have not been addressed. You should not have to silicone the filter in if it were properly designed in the first place. I know they do a great job as far as performance, but these issues have been discussed since the introduction of this unit and have not yet been rectified. To each his own.
yes its a S***TY finish, but it works.....

Is not like you could see the VARARAM on a daily basis, unless you have a SHOWCAR (then you wouldnt need performance air intake).....

My hood stays shut when I drive, so no1 sees the SH**ty finish of my VARARAM.
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Old Jun 19, 2006 | 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by chuckster
Seriously man.. GET the VARARAM.. It's been proven here for years. The Honker is only getting excitement cause it's the new kid on the block.. the honker is no different than the Breathless Performance Vortex intake of 5 years ago.. Nothing special..

NO other intake has the reported "Consistent" gains at the track that the Vararam does..

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Old Jun 19, 2006 | 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by chuckster
For what it's worth, I am glad to see someone finally moved the MAF closer to the TB.. I had the idea of doing this years ago but never tinkered with it..

Also I am sure the same thing can be done with the Vararam.. There is plenty of room.. I may actually move my MAF and try it..

If you try this and it works then please PM me!
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Old Jun 26, 2006 | 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Williamsctt8
from the last picture posted it looks like the c6 one has a larger air inlet design as opposed to the c5's more pinched looking one.

What is up with that???
Hood clearance, people. The C5 has a LOT less room over the radiator.
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Old Jun 26, 2006 | 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Frankie2blue
Is anyone worried about Hydrolock with the Honker? I also think its looks like the best one but have been afraid to do it because of reading about a member or two that did lock their engines after hitting some standing water. Would love to hear more about this aspect of it.
I've read reports of hydrolocking on this forum too. However, the reports always mentioned another intake system. Callaway has never received any report of hydrolock in a Honker-equipped Corvette. I'm pretty sure Callaway would be the first to be informed if this occurred.

During the product testing and validation process, in all sorts of wet weather, on highways and secondary roads, Callaway engineers never detected any water, moisture, or "tracks" of moisture inside the Honker ducting. Obviously, water is one of the foreign materials that was inspected for during testing. One test car has accumulated nearly 30,000 miles of testing. I personally drove Honker-equipped C5's and C6's in torrential downpours, through fairly deep puddles at speed, with no water ingestion.

Having said that, I would recommend that you avoid driving through standing water that's over 15" deep or so, but I'd recommend that even if you still have the stock air filter system.
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Old Jun 26, 2006 | 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Frankie2blue
Also wondering if it needs to be re-tuned to take full advantage because of the large air increase or will it do the re-learn like most others? I now have a Blackwing.
The PCM will accommodate the increased available air without "mandatory" recalibration. However, there is even more power available if you recalibrate.

The Vette Magazine article posted earlier in this thread says that MTI got an additional 20 rwhp by replacing the Blackwing with a Honker, then did some tuning and got another 13, for a total of 33 rwhp.
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Originally Posted by Dirty Howie
Why does the C5 version have an accordian coupler and the C6 does not.

I have an LS2 (C6) throttle body ....... will the C6 fit ??


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The C5 has the accordion coupler because the C5 underhood area is not large enough to accept a large round duct, like the C6. Also the inside of the accordion coupler is much smoother than the outside, almost a flat surface, to minimize any possible turbulence.

We have a special coupler in stock to mate the C5 MAFS with the 90mm C6 throttle body in a Honker configuration. (This reminds me to add this part to the website online store.) If you need one right away, please give us a call (860)434-9002.
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Originally Posted by bcseitz
After weighing out the pros and cons between the two best performing cold air intakes, I purchased the Callaway. The Callaway is no doubt the finest available on the market.
My reservation was, and still is, the possibillity of hydrolock. It's a bottom feeder.
I too would be interested in hearing about anyone hydrolocking with one of these.

Living here in the "Valley of the Sun" it doesn't rain much. That was one of the "pros"! But when it does rain it's commonly a downpour. The ground out here is like concrete and water isn't hardly absorbed causing rapid flooding. I know two people that have locked their C5's up out here in the "Valley of the Sun" !
Do you happen to know which intake systems were installed on the cars that hydrolocked?
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Old Jun 26, 2006 | 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by mcv
The C5 has the accordion coupler because the C5 underhood area is not large enough to accept a large round duct, like the C6. Also the inside of the accordion coupler is much smoother than the outside, almost a flat surface, to minimize any possible turbulence.

We have a special coupler in stock to mate the C5 MAFS with the 90mm C6 throttle body in a Honker configuration. (This reminds me to add this part to the website online store.) If you need one right away, please give us a call (860)434-9002.
So is it also an accordian or is it a smooth coupler. And is it therefore larger internal diameter???

Also..... If I order the Honker from a vendor do I have to pay additionally for the LS2 TB to C5 MAF coupler??


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Old Jun 26, 2006 | 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by gorillavet
I have discussed the Hydrolock issue with three different technicians that have over twenty five years experience with corvettes. To a man NONE of them have EVER seen a hydrolock situation PERIOD! I have discussed hydrolock with five dealers and two tuners that have over seventy years of experience and all of them have NEVER seen one car much less a corvette that experienced hydrolock!

Course I am sure we will now hear many horror stories as I have opened the flood gates, so to speak
Its interesting the Hydrolocked discussion comes up so often and the memories are so short. As for those so called technicians I always get a chuckle about their true lack of knowledge. GM themselves addressed a hydrolocking problem on the L98 C4s. On those cars water would come up through a small slit between the front cross member and the rad. shroud and go directly into the air cleaner. A small piece of plastic on the 87 and newer L98s solved that problem. It is still sold by MAD, etc. That was on a car that didn't have a big hole in the shroud for the water to go through.

When the Halltech and Vortec units came out 7 or 8 years ago there were a lot of claims that hydrolocking wasn't a problem. Once enough units got into circulation then we started hearing about hydrolock with those units. The same thing will happen with the Callaway with enough time and units in the field. Do you want to be the one that gets the short straw?

It doesn't take a large puddle to get the problem. Six inches is all that is needed. There are many streets in the country that get 6 inches of water on them during a down pour. Traffic just keeps flowing since most cars do not have a problem with that much water. Vettes with cold air intakes through the shroud traveling in that kind of traffic are going to cruise into the puddle at 20 or so and get a nice heavy dose of water into the engine.

When you can get a unit that has a slide that can be remotely operated to shut off the cold air flow and take air from inside the car as the stock unit does you will have a unit that will almost protect a car from hydrolocking.

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