Does anyone have a real solution to "pull key, wait 10 seconds"
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Racer
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From: Pasadena MD
Does anyone have a real solution to "pull key, wait 10 seconds"
I have read all I can find here about the "pull key, wait 10 seconds". I have done the following and still no help:
- Replace the battery
- cleaned the key
- reset the BCM
- installed the column lock bypass
- used the second that been sitting in the drawer for 7 years
I have a 98, manual transmission, supercharger with PCM programming.
The code started coming up after the recall was done (I had no choice, column locked in the dealership parking lot).
Does anyone know what conditons set the code? I assume it is some kind of theft deterrant. The code only comes up once, and after I pull the key, it returns to normal operation.
- Replace the battery
- cleaned the key
- reset the BCM
- installed the column lock bypass
- used the second that been sitting in the drawer for 7 years
I have a 98, manual transmission, supercharger with PCM programming.
The code started coming up after the recall was done (I had no choice, column locked in the dealership parking lot).
Does anyone know what conditons set the code? I assume it is some kind of theft deterrant. The code only comes up once, and after I pull the key, it returns to normal operation.
Instructor
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The column lock is flimsy;
before I changed to an Optima red top, the CL tried to stop me. I remembered reading in here somewhere to VIOLENTLY move the steering wheel from side to side. You can get the thing to reset.
I changed to the Optima red top and switched which key I was using (#2 vs. the #1). This has pretty much cleared the problem for me for over the last year.
However, every problem can be different. Hope this helps.
I changed to the Optima red top and switched which key I was using (#2 vs. the #1). This has pretty much cleared the problem for me for over the last year.
However, every problem can be different. Hope this helps.
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Racer
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From: Pasadena MD
Originally Posted by see5
What code do you get?
It is likely that they wiped out your tune as part of recall.
It is likely that they wiped out your tune as part of recall.
No codes, just the "Pull key, wait 10 seconds" on the DIC. The PCM was NOT reprogrammed, it still runs just as strong as it did before. Plus reflashing it not part of the current recall.
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From: Raleigh / Rolesville NC
I had that happen to me in Toronto 3 years ago. I parked on a slight incline and temps got down too 35 or so.
I have to go into the DIC, run the codes and clear all the codes out. Then it was fine.
Turns out parking on an incline was the culperate. In case your car is stollen or towed away, hauled away on a flat bed.
I have to go into the DIC, run the codes and clear all the codes out. Then it was fine.
Turns out parking on an incline was the culperate. In case your car is stollen or towed away, hauled away on a flat bed.
Burning Brakes
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It may be the contacts inside the lock. Use a few pipe cleaners and a very small amount of rubbing alcohol to clean them, and then clean both of your keys pellet resistors again. I know that some folks with our year cars have had problems with CLB set ups. Good luck, and let everyone know if this corrects your pkw10s problem.
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Racer
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From: Pasadena MD
As unlikely as it seems, there are no codes when this pkw10s happens. I'll try the pipe cleaner and see if that helps.
The strange thing is, it only happens on the first start. After I pull the ket and try again, the problem is gone. Let the car sit for a 5-10 minutes and the same thing happens again.
The strange thing is, it only happens on the first start. After I pull the ket and try again, the problem is gone. Let the car sit for a 5-10 minutes and the same thing happens again.
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Originally Posted by DRR
It may be the contacts inside the lock. Use a few pipe cleaners and a very small amount of rubbing alcohol to clean them, and then clean both of your keys pellet resistors again.
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It's likely the lock itself, especially if your keyring has lots of STUFF on it. My Bonneville started having "Security" issues like this and I hard wired a precision resistor in the same resistance as the pellet on the key, never had another problem.
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I have a 2001 manual trans. Mine has done this several times. I also have violently shaken the steering wheel from side to side with the ignition off and the key out. When I put the key back in and turned the iginition on - the problem was solved.
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I just lock and unlock the doors using the key fob when the prob occurs... it seems to fix the problem immediately... then again, the prob could be fixed because that also involves removing and reinserting the key 
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Al - Did you clean the key resistor pelletsensing terminals in the keyhole with the pipe cleaners and alcohol yet? Did that clear up the problem. Inquiring minds want to know...If you cleaned the terminals in the lock and the problem did not go away you may have poor connections at the ignition lock cyl or at the key resistor pellet sensing terminals, or corrosion on the grounding wires for the lock cyl or pass key ground. Please let us know what is up...
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From: winter haven florida
St. Jude Donor '12
mine does this once in a great while. about 3 times since the latest recal was done. column lock plate was removed and new k-harness was put in. turn car off and pull key and all is fine. i used to have to go through the wheel shake thing untill the last recall and it was a lot more often. i too am currious to see what causes this after the recalls
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If you get the PCW10 message, it means that the BCM did NOT see the correct resistance that was read from the ignition cylinder. Either your key pellet is dirty or defective or the ignition cylinder lock (key sensing brushes are worn, dirty of defective. If you try and clean the lock and that doesn't fix it, you may need a new lock cylinder.
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Racer
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Went camping and ATVing this weekend, I haven't had a chance to clean the lock cylinder yet. I have cleaned the keys themselves, same results. Both keys do the same thing (even the one that hasn't been used in years) Will keep you posted
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St. Jude Donor '12
Originally Posted by Bill Curlee
If you get the PCW10 message, it means that the BCM did NOT see the correct resistance that was read from the ignition cylinder. Either your key pellet is dirty or defective or the ignition cylinder lock (key sensing brushes are worn, dirty of defective. If you try and clean the lock and that doesn't fix it, you may need a new lock cylinder.
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Racer
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From: Pasadena MD
Cleaning didn't work. The strange thing is this; during the 1st ignition cycle I will get the pfw10s, every time. If I wait the 10 seconds and restart, I never get the code. If I wait aproximately 3 minutes and start over again, the pkw10s will come up again, anything less than that, it won't come up. This all started after the harness-k was replaced. I took the CLB out tonight in preparation for another visit to the dealer. I suspect it has nothing at all to do with the recall and the key cylinder or BCM needs to be replaced.