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Old Oct 26, 2006 | 09:58 AM
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I've posted this on LS1Tech as well. My car has developed a tap/tick at idle. From what I can tell it's only at idle, & goes away as revs go up. The car runs very strong, no hesitations etc... Mods are in my sig. Reused stock lifters, as they only had 10k miles on them when I did the h/c swap. Seems to be more audible from the driver's side. I'm assuming it's a lifter issue, but I thought I'd get some more opinions.

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Welcome to the world of cam'd motors. They are going to make more valve noise plus the headers will amplify the ticking that the cast manifold used to mute.
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Originally Posted by WKMCD
Welcome to the world of cam'd motors. They are going to make more valve noise plus the headers will amplify the ticking that the cast manifold used to mute.
I know that a h/c car is going to make more valvetrain noise, I've had this setup for about a year, & about 7000 miles. The tap in the vid just started recently.
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Old Oct 26, 2006 | 11:59 AM
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Make sure it's not a leak at the headers. They can sound like a ticking sound. I you do replace the lifters, look at the new GM Cadillac racing lifters. That's what I'm using in my 402 build. SDPC has them.
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You may also want to do a Seafoam clean for the carbon. I use something in every tank to prevent it.
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Did you do all that to your motor and re-use the stock pushrods?
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Old Oct 26, 2006 | 01:30 PM
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Check your rockers... one of mine puked the bearings and the noise was similiar
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Did you do all that to your motor and re-use the stock pushrods?
Nah, check my signature again, I have trick flow 7.400 hardened pushrods in there.

Well, I guess I should say what I have checked. I checked the header bolts (all good), I checked all spark plugs (all good), I removed both valve covers in inspected the rockers (all good) & springs (all appear to be good, though the inner springs are hard to see). I put a can of seafoam in the gas, & 3/4 can in the crankcase which did quiet the noise, but didn't get rid of it. I've got about 200 miles on the oil w/ seafoam in it, so I'm going to change it this weekend to a thicker 10w-40 oil to see if it helps.
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Sounds like the preload isn't correct on one or more lifters. If all the rocker bolts are tight, you may be needing to replace lifters soon.
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Originally Posted by muncie21
Sounds like the preload isn't correct on one or more lifters. If all the rocker bolts are tight, you may be needing to replace lifters soon.
I'm going to triple check the rockers again this weekend.

I'm already searching for some replacement lifters, & trays. I'm just hoping that if one or more have failed, that it didn't take out a cam lobe too.
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Well, changed the oil this weekend. Put AMSOIL 10w-40 in her, & the tap is completely gone! Actually seems to have quieted down the all the valvetrain considerably. Now I can spend the money I was going to use on new lifters, head gaskets, head bolts, etc..., on some drag radials!!

Where's the best place to get 305/35 18 Nitto 555R
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Originally Posted by TSDuke
Well, changed the oil this weekend. Put AMSOIL 10w-40 in her, & the tap is completely gone! Actually seems to have quieted down the all the valvetrain considerably. Now I can spend the money I was going to use on new lifters, head gaskets, head bolts, etc..., on some drag radials!!

Where's the best place to get 305/35 18 Nitto 555R
What kind of oil did you have in there in the first place?
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You may want to consider 7.425 pushrods, sounds like your pushrod length is marginal to obtain proper preload. Heavier oil would be a bandaid. How did you determine the pushrod length? How much lifter preload are you running?
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Originally Posted by gpracer1
What kind of oil did you have in there in the first place?
The noise started when I put German Castrol 0w-30 in it. Removed it after about 2 days, & replaced it with what I normally run, AMSOIL 5w-40. The noise was still there so I put 3/4 of a can of SeaFoam in it for 250 miles. Changed this weekend to AMSOIL 10w-40, and the noise it gone.
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Originally Posted by TSDuke
The noise started when I put German Castrol 0w-30 in it. Removed it after about 2 days, & replaced it with what I normally run, AMSOIL 5w-40. The noise was still there so I put 3/4 of a can of SeaFoam in it for 250 miles. Changed this weekend to AMSOIL 10w-40, and the noise it gone.
is the Amsoil better than the Mobil 1?
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Sounds like it was a carbon issue, not really the GC although you are running a heavier oil than GC.
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is the Amsoil better than the Mobil 1?
That's a question worthy of a 20 page thread.

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Originally Posted by vettenuts
Sounds like it was a carbon issue, not really the GC although you are running a heavier oil than GC.
Im curious as to how the carbon buildup leads to a noisy valvetrain?
if anyone knows, thanks.
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A carbon issue is usually carbon on the piston slightly touching the head. Had issues with that on Mazda 929's when they first came out.
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