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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 01:03 PM
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Ahh, you beat me into submission..
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Thats not teeth marks I see on that bracket is it ????

.....hope you use a vise or what not


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Thanks Dan

Thats not teeth marks I see on that bracket is it ????

.....hope you use a vise or what not


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Of course not, I'm a professional!

I'm going to email Jeff over at E.E., see what he says about the bracket.
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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 04:06 PM
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As with any new product, there is always a big challenge to be sure the item is generic enough to fit all C5’s. It appears that the amount of "slack" in the heater hose is not consistnat from year to year.

I am looking at a new bracket design that would take care of this problem for everyone.
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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Elite Engineering
As with any new product, there is always a big challenge to be sure the item is generic enough to fit all C5’s. It appears that the amount of "slack" in the heater hose is not consistnat from year to year.

I am looking at a new bracket design that would take care of this problem for everyone.
Perfect! Thanks!
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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 04:13 PM
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FWIW I have zero issues w/ the coolant line... just push it down a hair.
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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 04:17 PM
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I agree there really isnt a issue with the coolant line on probably 99% of the applications, and the other 1% like mine just it has to be pulled back some and its fine. Its nothing really to have to design another bracket for I wouldnt think.
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Originally Posted by Elite Engineering
As with any new product, there is always a big challenge to be sure the item is generic enough to fit all C5’s. It appears that the amount of "slack" in the heater hose is not consistnat from year to year.

I am looking at a new bracket design that would take care of this problem for everyone.
Sounds good

Please let us know when its ready to ship.......


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Originally Posted by briann510
I agree there really isnt a issue with the coolant line on probably 99% of the applications, and the other 1% like mine just it has to be pulled back some and its fine. Its nothing really to have to design another bracket for I wouldnt think.
Well Dan felt compelled to bend his bracket........

And he is a PROFESSIONAL......


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Originally Posted by Dirty Howie
Well Dan felt compelled to bend his bracket........

And he is a PROFESSIONAL......


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Hey, don't laugh too hard!! I've built many high performance motors, engineered and re-engineered many things mechanical over the last 25 years, have never paid anyone to work on any vehicle I've ever owned, I do my own PCM tuning, etc..

Watch out, you might see a "supporting tuner" next to my name tag one of these days, and if you do it will be a "name you can trust".

You are fortunate to have Andy out there, and the $$ to afford him (I am jealous!)
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Originally Posted by Elite Engineering
As with any new product, there is always a big challenge to be sure the item is generic enough to fit all C5’s. It appears that the amount of "slack" in the heater hose is not consistnat from year to year.

I am looking at a new bracket design that would take care of this problem for everyone.
Instead of bending the bracket (or changing the design), what about using 1.00-1.25" bolts and installing a .50-.75" spacer behind the bracket? That'll put the oil can further away from the cylinder head and exhaust manifolds than bending the bracket. It should place the can more directly over the heater hoses as shown in the bent bracket image.

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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by hotwheels57
Instead of bending the bracket (or changing the design), what about using 1.00-1.25" bolts and installing a .50-.75" spacer behind the bracket? That'll put the oil can further away from the cylinder head and exhaust manifolds than bending the bracket. It should place the can more directly over the heater hoses as shown in the bent bracket image.
I think it would still hit the hoses.
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Old Dec 15, 2006 | 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Dan_the_C5_Man
Hey, don't laugh too hard!! I've built many high performance motors, engineered and re-engineered many things mechanical over the last 25 years, have never paid anyone to work on any vehicle I've ever owned, I do my own PCM tuning, etc..

Watch out, you might see a "supporting tuner" next to my name tag one of these days, and if you do it will be a "name you can trust".

You are fortunate to have Andy out there, and the $$ to afford him (I am jealous!)
My wife doesn't seem to think we can afford him .........


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Originally Posted by Dirty Howie
I have catch cans on both lines !!!!


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Nice! Now that makes sense! Which catch can traps more oil?
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Bringing the can away from the head will not get it off the hose (that will then bring it over both hoses instead of 1). If you really wanna adjust the can, make the bottom half of the can 1/2" shorter.
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Old Dec 15, 2006 | 01:58 PM
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Nice! Now that makes sense! Which catch can traps more oil?
Daily driving the can in the PCV line gets the most.

At the track its pretty even but the can in the fresh air line gets lots too maybe even a little more than PCV line I didn't measure it.


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Old Dec 15, 2006 | 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirty Howie
Daily driving the can in the PCV line gets the most.

At the track its pretty even but the can in the fresh air line gets lots too maybe even a little more than PCV line I didn't measure it.


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So would you say that your intake manifold is oil free?
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Old Dec 15, 2006 | 04:41 PM
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I seem to be confused on the efficiency of this catch can idea! As I see it, there is flow of some blow-by gases from the valve covers, thru the PCV valve, and then thru the catch can at idle and low load situations such as criusing only, right? Then when you stomp on it, accelerate moderately to WOT, the PCV valve slams shut because the vacuum in the manifold is low, ( stopping flow thru the catch can) and now the increased blow-by is now rerouted directly thru the vent tube that goes directely between the valve cover and the throttle body. My question is, shouldn't there be a catch can device of some sort on the vent tube as well or even all together?
At low vacuum, the spring in the pcv opens a larger area in the pcv. So at idle (high vacuum) the pcv sring is compressed allowing min. flow through the pcv.

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Old Dec 15, 2006 | 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by DJMRTS
I seem to be confused on the efficiency of this catch can idea! As I see it, there is flow of some blow-by gases from the valve covers, thru the PCV valve, and then thru the catch can at idle and low load situations such as criusing only, right? Then when you stomp on it, accelerate moderately to WOT, the PCV valve slams shut because the vacuum in the manifold is low, ( stopping flow thru the catch can) and now the increased blow-by is now rerouted directly thru the vent tube that goes directely between the valve cover and the throttle body. My question is, shouldn't there be a catch can device of some sort on the vent tube as well or even all together?
It's actually the opposite of what you’re thinking. At idle and low throttle openings the PCV valve is almost closed and the flow rate is low. So is the amount of blow-by gasses produced in the engine.

At large throttle openings and high RPMs the PCV valve opens all the way up and the flow it maximum. Also, this is when the engine is making the most blow-by gasses.

If the engine was at WOT and reline all day long, like on the track, it's possible to also maybe get some flow through the hose to the intake duct. This is because the engine is making the max amount of blow-by and the vacuum level at both the intake manifold nipple and the intake duct or TB nipple will be almost the same. Therefore, the blow-by gasses flow down both.

What if a check valve instead of a filter was put in the line between the valve cover and TB nipple so only fresh air flows into the engine? That might make the majority or all the blow-by go through the PCV/catch can at WOT and high RPMs and keep oil out of the TB path. Has anyone tried this?
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So would you say that your intake manifold is oil free?
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