evap hose ?
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From: puyallup wa
evap hose ?
I'm not going to go into a winded tirade about my car being at a dealership for a week now because this has been a issue since I gave them my car a month ago to do a 60,000 mile tune up and since then my check engine light has come on 3 times.
1st time they said it was the gas cap(I told the I smelled gas 3 times I brought it in)2nd time some sensor on the fuel tank.3rd time and a week later they said there machine had some problems now they say it's a evap hose that goes in between the fuel tank.
THIS WHERE I NEED HELP PLEASE!They said that they didn't work and that area well they put new exhaust on in the rear.
Can some tell me and show me a picture where exactly the evap hose is and to see if some how they did something to the origianl one when installing the exhaust.
It's kinda strange that this car ran perfect when I gave it to them and over a month later I'm still not driving it very much.
Sorry if it's still a little winded.
1st time they said it was the gas cap(I told the I smelled gas 3 times I brought it in)2nd time some sensor on the fuel tank.3rd time and a week later they said there machine had some problems now they say it's a evap hose that goes in between the fuel tank.
THIS WHERE I NEED HELP PLEASE!They said that they didn't work and that area well they put new exhaust on in the rear.
Can some tell me and show me a picture where exactly the evap hose is and to see if some how they did something to the origianl one when installing the exhaust.
It's kinda strange that this car ran perfect when I gave it to them and over a month later I'm still not driving it very much.
Sorry if it's still a little winded.
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Its possible. See below. The EVAP canister is near the passenger side fuel tank and the EVAP line runs with the fuel lines to the front of the car. They might have banged it in the back if they weren't careful, buy you would need to look and see if there is any exposed length under there. What is the code you are setting?
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Its possible. See below. The EVAP canister is near the passenger side fuel tank and the EVAP line runs with the fuel lines to the front of the car. They might have banged it in the back if they weren't careful, buy you would need to look and see if there is any exposed length under there. What is the code you are setting?
Very possible if the GM "Tech" went to cranking and banging under there ('ya think? 
). This sounds like just another case involving a stealership idiot that doesn't know what the problem is and is now "Easter egging" (keep replacing parts until the problem is fixed)their way through this, all the while lying to the customer. 
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Very possible if the GM "Tech" went to cranking and banging under there ('ya think? ). This sounds like just another case involving a stealership idiot that doesn't know what the problem is and is now "Easter egging" (keep replacing parts until the problem is fixed)their way through this, all the while lying to the customer.
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I can try and pull that tonight (at work now 
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The hoses all run together inside the tunnel, question is if it is exposed near or above the rear half shaft. When you pull the exhaust, you need to snake it out and over the half shaft and it you bang it around you might damage the hose. If you can find a point of damage, you might be able to put in a rubber hose as a temp fix as I think you have to drop the tank to get the hose out, but I would need to consult the manual on that one. I know you do for the canister and I thought mine was bad.
Other place to look is up front on the motor to make sure none of the lines are off. Do you know what code you have?
)The hoses all run together inside the tunnel, question is if it is exposed near or above the rear half shaft. When you pull the exhaust, you need to snake it out and over the half shaft and it you bang it around you might damage the hose. If you can find a point of damage, you might be able to put in a rubber hose as a temp fix as I think you have to drop the tank to get the hose out, but I would need to consult the manual on that one. I know you do for the canister and I thought mine was bad.
Other place to look is up front on the motor to make sure none of the lines are off. Do you know what code you have?
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I can try and pull that tonight (at work now )
The hoses all run together inside the tunnel, question is if it is exposed near or above the rear half shaft. When you pull the exhaust, you need to snake it out and over the half shaft and it you bang it around you might damage the hose. If you can find a point of damage, you might be able to put in a rubber hose as a temp fix as I think you have to drop the tank to get the hose out, but I would need to consult the manual on that one. I know you do for the canister and I thought mine was bad.
Other place to look is up front on the motor to make sure none of the lines are off. Do you know what code you have?
)The hoses all run together inside the tunnel, question is if it is exposed near or above the rear half shaft. When you pull the exhaust, you need to snake it out and over the half shaft and it you bang it around you might damage the hose. If you can find a point of damage, you might be able to put in a rubber hose as a temp fix as I think you have to drop the tank to get the hose out, but I would need to consult the manual on that one. I know you do for the canister and I thought mine was bad.
Other place to look is up front on the motor to make sure none of the lines are off. Do you know what code you have?
No it's at the dealership My car ran fine until I brought it to them to do a 60,000 mile tune.I had them put the exhaust on while they did the tune.I think they did it they say no we didn't work back there.
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The EVAP hoses runs inside the tunnel and above the tunnel plate, it really doesn't come close to the exhaust anywhere on the car except maybe at the front where it exits the tunnel and goes up the firewall.
I doubt there is aproblem with the hose anyway more than likely just a bad diagnosis, post your fault codes and we'll try to help you out.
I doubt there is aproblem with the hose anyway more than likely just a bad diagnosis, post your fault codes and we'll try to help you out.
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The car is at the dealership it's been there a week now waiting for and evap hose the 1st time the code was po442 which they replaced the gas cap.
A week later the check engine light came on again and the code was po440 repalced a sensor.
Then the next week after 3 days they came to the conclusion that there diagnostics was not picking something up and reading it wrong which each time they said they fixed I told them I could smell gas all three times.
So here we are a pissed off customer getting the run around and they wouldn't even come to the plate and give me a rental they said they would pay half and said forget it.I have a letter written up for the owner of the dealership to read.
A week later the check engine light came on again and the code was po440 repalced a sensor.
Then the next week after 3 days they came to the conclusion that there diagnostics was not picking something up and reading it wrong which each time they said they fixed I told them I could smell gas all three times.
So here we are a pissed off customer getting the run around and they wouldn't even come to the plate and give me a rental they said they would pay half and said forget it.I have a letter written up for the owner of the dealership to read.
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Fuel solenoid? What the heck is a fuel solenoid? Did they tell you it was right beside the Framus valve? 
Anybody else here ever heard of a "fuel solenoid"? My knowledge of the C5 fuel system does not include the words "fuel solenoid".
Hey, I'm not busting your chops, I'm just ticked at what appears to another example of a dealer not knowing what they're doing (or worse; they do know because they found where they had screwed up!) and lie to the customer and just make stuff up!
This kind of stuff goes on everyday. It's happened to me too.
Hope you're running OK now.
BTW, I got to thinking about the fuel evap portion of the fuel system and remembered the Fuel Evap Solenoid located on the drivers side of the the engine intake manifold. That thing only operates when the system in in open loop, which usually isn't very long. The Fuel Evap Solenoid is quite a bit different from an "evap hose" and also I'd think they would call by it's right name when talking to you.
Anybody else here ever heard of a "fuel solenoid"? My knowledge of the C5 fuel system does not include the words "fuel solenoid".Hey, I'm not busting your chops, I'm just ticked at what appears to another example of a dealer not knowing what they're doing (or worse; they do know because they found where they had screwed up!) and lie to the customer and just make stuff up!
This kind of stuff goes on everyday. It's happened to me too.
Hope you're running OK now.
BTW, I got to thinking about the fuel evap portion of the fuel system and remembered the Fuel Evap Solenoid located on the drivers side of the the engine intake manifold. That thing only operates when the system in in open loop, which usually isn't very long. The Fuel Evap Solenoid is quite a bit different from an "evap hose" and also I'd think they would call by it's right name when talking to you.
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I HATE INCOMPETENT DEALER SERVICE CENTERS! ! For the most part,,,,stealer's are staffed with JUNIOR IDIOTS and people who cant troubleshoot without a technical troubleshooting flow diagram. Then again half of them cant even use that to fight their way out of a wet paper bag. 
There are (in rare instances) technical GODs who do GM technical service centers justices!
If you need to take your car to a dealership for service ( yea some people need to utilize dealerships for service and repairs ) BEFORE YOU DO,,,,,PLEASE see if someone on this FORUM, can recommend a competent dealer IN YOUR AREA to provide you with the proper assistance you need.!
When you find a GOOD tech,,,,PLEASE pass the information along so the people who need dealers to perform service can use the GOOD SERVICE TECHs instead of the BOZOS!
BC
! For the most part,,,,stealer's are staffed with JUNIOR IDIOTS and people who cant troubleshoot without a technical troubleshooting flow diagram. Then again half of them cant even use that to fight their way out of a wet paper bag. There are (in rare instances) technical GODs who do GM technical service centers justices!
If you need to take your car to a dealership for service ( yea some people need to utilize dealerships for service and repairs
) BEFORE YOU DO,,,,,PLEASE see if someone on this FORUM, can recommend a competent dealer IN YOUR AREA to provide you with the proper assistance you need.! When you find a GOOD tech,,,,PLEASE pass the information along so the people who need dealers to perform service can use the GOOD SERVICE TECHs instead of the BOZOS!
BC
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St. Jude Donor '08-'09-'10-'11-'12-'13-'14-'15-'16
I HATE INCOMPETENT DEALER SERVICE CENTERS! ! For the most part,,,,stealer's are staffed with JUNIOR IDIOTS and people who cant troubleshoot without a technical troubleshooting flow diagram. Then again half of them cant even use that to fight their way out of a wet paper bag.
There are (in rare instances) technical GODs who do GM technical service centers justices!
If you need to take your car to a dealership for service ( yea some people need to utilize dealerships for service and repairs ) BEFORE YOU DO,,,,,PLEASE see if someone on this FORUM, can recommend a competent dealer IN YOUR AREA to provide you with the proper assistance you need.!
When you find a GOOD tech,,,,PLEASE pass the information along so the people who need dealers to perform service can use the GOOD SERVICE TECHs instead of the BOZOS!
BC
! For the most part,,,,stealer's are staffed with JUNIOR IDIOTS and people who cant troubleshoot without a technical troubleshooting flow diagram. Then again half of them cant even use that to fight their way out of a wet paper bag. There are (in rare instances) technical GODs who do GM technical service centers justices!
If you need to take your car to a dealership for service ( yea some people need to utilize dealerships for service and repairs
) BEFORE YOU DO,,,,,PLEASE see if someone on this FORUM, can recommend a competent dealer IN YOUR AREA to provide you with the proper assistance you need.! When you find a GOOD tech,,,,PLEASE pass the information along so the people who need dealers to perform service can use the GOOD SERVICE TECHs instead of the BOZOS!
BC
Amen, my brother! 
