Shorty Headers
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Originally Posted by Dan_the_C5_Man
Yes Sir, they are worth the money. Before taking advice from arm-chair Internet engineers you might want to ask those who have actually installed them.
See my sig for the numbers. The do work, they are easy to install, they won’t fry the starter, they don't require a tune, they don't throw codes, they will pass a visual smog check, they do improve the exhaust tone and volume, they are very high-quality - no history of AIR tubes breaking off, shall I continue??
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Originally Posted by will82
Don't be fooled by all the "experts."
The B&B shorty headers are an excellent piece, and the 10rwhp gains advertised are no joke. If they suit your needs, they are worth it. Stainless steel, high quality merge collectors, EQUAL LENGTH tubing. In fact, the only headers I'd go with over them are the American Racing. They are the only long-tube setup that would meet my demands for quality construction, fitment, ease of install, etc.
There are other advantages to shorties. People get too hung up on dyno queen numbers. Torque, as well as WHERE the power gains are made, are also important factors. There are instances where one would make more sense over the other, and vice versa.
To each his own.
.02
Extremely well said.. I grow weary of the continual shorty header bashing.. And all shorties are NOT created equal; I would not waste time or money on any other brand than BBB, unless they offered equal-length tubing as well.
Originally Posted by Dan_the_C5_Man
Yes Sir, they are worth the money. Before taking advice from arm-chair Internet engineers you might want to ask those who have actually installed them.
See my sig for the numbers. The do work, they are easy to install, they won’t fry the starter, they don't require a tune, they don't throw codes, they will pass a visual smog check, they do improve the exhaust tone and volume, they are very high-quality - no history of AIR tubes breaking off, shall I continue??
Quote:
Originally Posted by will82
Don't be fooled by all the "experts."
The B&B shorty headers are an excellent piece, and the 10rwhp gains advertised are no joke. If they suit your needs, they are worth it. Stainless steel, high quality merge collectors, EQUAL LENGTH tubing. In fact, the only headers I'd go with over them are the American Racing. They are the only long-tube setup that would meet my demands for quality construction, fitment, ease of install, etc.
There are other advantages to shorties. People get too hung up on dyno queen numbers. Torque, as well as WHERE the power gains are made, are also important factors. There are instances where one would make more sense over the other, and vice versa.
To each his own.
.02
Extremely well said.. I grow weary of the continual shorty header bashing.. And all shorties are NOT created equal; I would not waste time or money on any other brand than BBB, unless they offered equal-length tubing as well.
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It doesn't sound like you are a candidate for either then. LT headers are not considered a "casual" mod. Expensive, difficult to install on your own, potential maintenance issues down the road.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan_the_C5_Man
Yes Sir, they are worth the money. Before taking advice from arm-chair Internet engineers you might want to ask those who have actually installed them.
See my sig for the numbers. The do work, they are easy to install, they won’t fry the starter, they don't require a tune, they don't throw codes, they will pass a visual smog check, they do improve the exhaust tone and volume, they are very high-quality - no history of AIR tubes breaking off, shall I continue??
Quote:
Originally Posted by will82
Don't be fooled by all the "experts."
The B&B shorty headers are an excellent piece, and the 10rwhp gains advertised are no joke. If they suit your needs, they are worth it. Stainless steel, high quality merge collectors, EQUAL LENGTH tubing. In fact, the only headers I'd go with over them are the American Racing. They are the only long-tube setup that would meet my demands for quality construction, fitment, ease of install, etc.
There are other advantages to shorties. People get too hung up on dyno queen numbers. Torque, as well as WHERE the power gains are made, are also important factors. There are instances where one would make more sense over the other, and vice versa.
To each his own.
.02
Extremely well said.. I grow weary of the continual shorty header bashing.. And all shorties are NOT created equal; I would not waste time or money on any other brand than BBB, unless they offered equal-length tubing as well.
Originally Posted by Dan_the_C5_Man
Yes Sir, they are worth the money. Before taking advice from arm-chair Internet engineers you might want to ask those who have actually installed them.
See my sig for the numbers. The do work, they are easy to install, they won’t fry the starter, they don't require a tune, they don't throw codes, they will pass a visual smog check, they do improve the exhaust tone and volume, they are very high-quality - no history of AIR tubes breaking off, shall I continue??
Quote:
Originally Posted by will82
Don't be fooled by all the "experts."
The B&B shorty headers are an excellent piece, and the 10rwhp gains advertised are no joke. If they suit your needs, they are worth it. Stainless steel, high quality merge collectors, EQUAL LENGTH tubing. In fact, the only headers I'd go with over them are the American Racing. They are the only long-tube setup that would meet my demands for quality construction, fitment, ease of install, etc.
There are other advantages to shorties. People get too hung up on dyno queen numbers. Torque, as well as WHERE the power gains are made, are also important factors. There are instances where one would make more sense over the other, and vice versa.
To each his own.
.02
Extremely well said.. I grow weary of the continual shorty header bashing.. And all shorties are NOT created equal; I would not waste time or money on any other brand than BBB, unless they offered equal-length tubing as well.
I guess the morale of the story is that specifically the B&B shorties are definitely worth it
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That's my conclusion from actually doing it as opposed to conjecture
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Pace Setters are a very good set of shorty headers over the stock manifolds. They put down nice HP and TQ numbers. Go for it.
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Shorty Headers (are really just an exhaust manifold) are really for
looks more than anything else. . . . if you’re not looking for the power gain
for your Vette, but intend you're just gonna be doing the "Cruising Sine"
I wouldn’t waist your money on "Shorties".
However, if you’re looking for some serious power gains then go with a
good Long Tube Header System. . . . There are a lot of good systems out there,
e.g., American Racing Headers, LG Header System, Kooks Headers, etc., etc.
So, figure out why do you want to swap out your stock manifolds ?????
For "Power Gain" or "Looks" ?? Then go from there. . . .
looks more than anything else. . . . if you’re not looking for the power gain
for your Vette, but intend you're just gonna be doing the "Cruising Sine"
I wouldn’t waist your money on "Shorties".
However, if you’re looking for some serious power gains then go with a
good Long Tube Header System. . . . There are a lot of good systems out there,
e.g., American Racing Headers, LG Header System, Kooks Headers, etc., etc.
So, figure out why do you want to swap out your stock manifolds ?????
For "Power Gain" or "Looks" ?? Then go from there. . . .