DTE A4 brace mod
DTE makes very reputable products that I am happy to run on my car. This post shouldn't hurt their reputation. It makes us aware of a possible issue on some cars.

Phil
BTW- When did I *EVER* knock your idea?? You can re-read above what I said right after and *NONE* of it was knocking anyone in any way. Again, *YOU* are making this out to be much more than what it is and *YOU* have made negative statements towards yourself, as they have *NOT* came from me in anything I've said to date.
Phil
However, we will *NOT* deal with folks who are complete azzes on the phone, by email or otherwise, as I don't have time for that garbage from anyone. We're all men here...well, at least most are...) Anyone who knows me, knows me to be very fair and honest in everything we do here and that has been the hallmark to our success to date. However, I will *NOT*, under any circumstances fold to someone's rude online pressure like some of the slander that's flying around in this thread right now, nor will I ever. If someone has a problem with something, then let them call here to discuss it, rather than hiding behind a computer screen.
Phil
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Feedback is what makes a great product. If the manufactor isn't opened minded, and takes there customers problems into consideration, then how can they excel into having a great product? What gets me, I never even asked for anthing from DTE,a nd didn't want anything. I just came on here to show people what I did because of the problems I had, and was hoping DTE would look at it and maybe say something like, "Hey, nice job", sorry that you had trouble with it, but glad you got it resolved. I'll shoot this over to our engineering department to look at. Instead, I get bashed and preached on how their products never have had problems, and I screwed this up by welding on it. Well, DTE welded on it too. I use to fabricate large industrial heat treating furnaces, and I know all about welding, and how it pulls. And these bosses would had to be pointing up. They was perp as the day they was made. The bosses wasn't welded on the top, which is where it would have to been to pull the bosses up. The problem is the centerline of the strut rods is up to high. That's all there is too it. And there is plenty of room to drop them down 3/8" - 1/2". Simple fix.
Now, I am hearing more and more people with rubbing issues. And still, DTE refuses to acknowledge the problem. I just can't believe the response I am getting from them. To tell you the truth, I am shocked. I thought they was better than this.
Phil
For those with this problem ( and I doubt that a new brace will fix it, but you never know) I would STRONGLY recommend that anyone installing this brace do the modification described in the first post. To do anything else is to risk damage to those metal fuel lines under the car. I am even getting noise transferred up into the car from the contact with the rods. The brace is quite simply very poorly designed in this one area, and needs to be modified by DTE to clear the underside of our cars. I am pretty scared of what the brace is going to do to my fuel lines over the long haul....I am sure that DTE will likely take me on for saying all of this, but if you do praise their products, then they have nothing but the best for you....praise them and they are very nice people -- to do anything else is to risk their wrath....go ahead, Phil...............make me a satisfied customer, please?
If you had such a problem with the differential strut on your car, why didn't you call me?
I know why- because we caught you in a lie to us, you hung up on Jenny in mid-sentence and you're pissed about the fact that we would not warranty your new 3.73 differential you purchased from us *AFTER* your super-tuner did a huge burnout on the street with it, including your own burnouts with the thing *RIGHT AFTER* it was installed!
Then, before you and I knew of the burn-out thing, I stated to you on the phone that I would *GIVE* you 2 more bottles of Redline lubricant to service your differential with to help you out, even though it wasn't DTE's fault the differential failed and that I would send them to you overnight so you coule get back on the road. You stated to me that it wasn't necessary, because you found out that your trusted installer damaged your differential from the long burnout before the break-in period, so you were going to have them fix the problem they created. I said no problem, at least we knew what caused the problem and for you to let me know if you needed any further assistance.
You then called back and changed your mind, stating that you wanted the free lubricant anyway!! We told you that the free lubricant offer didn't apply if you already knew your super-tuner damaged your differential, because *YOU* stated that they were going to repair their problem they created. You got immediately pissed and hung up on Jenny in mid-sentence like a spoiled brat child not getting his way!!!!
Why did you do this after we tried to help you?? We try to give you assistance out of good will and you turn right around and smack us in the face for it????!!!!! Nice touch- especially hanging up on my wife, when she did nothing wrong to you either!!!! You are *REALLY* a piece of work!!!
Then, you come on this board a few days ago asking about the diff. whine your super-tuner created and that you really "liked the guys" who did your install, *EVEN THOUGH THEY PERMANANTLY DAMAGED YOUR DIFFERENTIAL BY BEATING ON YOUR CAR!!!!!* http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1722592
Yet, you smack our face for trying to help you resolve your differential whine issue that was created by someone else!!!! When everyone told you to fire that tuner and get them to pay for it, you completely clammed up and didn't say another word..... I'm sure you'll edit your posts in those threads like you like to do to better hedge your B.S., but you are what you are.
So now you ask if we can satisfy you?????? We tried Glenn and you treated us like complete crap for it... You are impossible and an unbelievable piece of work...!!!
Phil
You must have welded on your upper brace or did something wrong, so
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Now you are saying the problem has been resolved, but I still hear people having the same problem, and telling that they can't see no difference in the brace.
The only thing negative here is your willingness to admit that there is problems with your design. Hey, nobody is perfect. But if people works together, then we can all make a darn near perfect product. But when you are closed minded and will not listed to what people are telling on you here, and keep insisting there is nothing wrong with your brace now, then you are just being pig headed.
Like I could predict the future:
.I am sure that DTE will likely take me on for saying all of this, but if you do praise their products, then they have nothing but the best for you....praise them and they are very nice people -- to do anything else is to risk their wrath....go ahead, Phil...............make me a satisfied customer, please?
Phil....you KNOW the truth here and have chosen to ignore it...if we talked to you the way you talk to us, the moderators would have pulled this thread. Your wife, after interupting me three or four times and talking over me at least that much.......yes, I finally hung up, as the conversation was going no where and she simply was not listening to me.........did you train her in customer service?
Your personal attacks are unwarranted and unprofessional, and your bash on Law Enforcement in unconsciounable..........
Folks....we here on the forum CAN have an effect on DTE's business, and I for one think that we should......
So, where did you address that your brace is ruining our cars and offer to make it right, Phil? If you can get it so my brace is not bashing my fuel lines...like several others here.....let's talk....
Last edited by C6NRED; Jun 20, 2007 at 02:58 PM.
Phil, I KNOW you read Corvette Forum threads that have anything to do with DTE....are you out there and are you willing to make all of our braces fit right????? Would love to hear from DTE in THIS forum with a reasonable fix --- you've got your work cut out for you to make this right for all of us whose braces simply do not fit right......C'mon ---- you can do it!!!
Look at the number of readers of this post (nearing 600) and imagine that they all would have bought a brace from you.......if it fit right.....
And ---- THANK YOU to the moderators for allowing this thread to continue. I think that the members here have conducted themselves well and that this is important information to get out there...again, thank you moderators --- it was a class act to leave this thread up.........
BTW- The damage you *THINK* you're doing by driving the bash wagon, isn't working.... We've sold 4 more A4 kits this week alone just because of this thread and once folks understand the product better and understand us better from speaking with us on the phone, they buy right away and completely dismiss the garbage that is flying around in this thread spewed by you and others.
I'm glad this thread has remained open also, because it's given me a chance to retort a mountain of garbage that's in this thread.
Our company has continually grown year after year- not because of our products alone, but because of our customer service, our integrity, our passion for the Corvette and the willingness to work with others who are as respectful to us, as they want to receive in return. We will not change a thing.

Best Regards,
Phil
Phil
And I appologize if you took this has bashing. That's not the intention. But somehow, I think you know that.
Have a good day.
Jim
This has nothing to do with the diff, and you know that....and you did NOT catch me in a lie, as I admitted to you I did not know about what the mechanic had done to my car prior to asking you why my diff was whining....My professional courtesy prohibits me from responding to you in the way you deserve........Jeez, Phil....your defensivness makes me think that you doth protest too much.......
Again.....exactly what is the solution you are offering to fix our braces? I am waiting and listening.........simple request...should be a simple answer.
Now you are saying the problem has been resolved, but I still hear people having the same problem, and telling that they can't see no difference in the brace.
The only thing negative here is your willingness to admit that there is problems with your design. Hey, nobody is perfect. But if people works together, then we can all make a darn near perfect product. But when you are closed minded and will not listed to what people are telling on you here, and keep insisting there is nothing wrong with your brace now, then you are just being pig headed.

Phil
Like I could predict the future:
.I am sure that DTE will likely take me on for saying all of this, but if you do praise their products, then they have nothing but the best for you....praise them and they are very nice people -- to do anything else is to risk their wrath....go ahead, Phil...............make me a satisfied customer, please?
Phil....you KNOW the truth here and have chosen to ignore it...if we talked to you the way you talk to us, the moderators would have pulled this thread. Your wife, after interupting me three or four times and talking over me at least that much.......yes, I finally hung up, as the conversation was going no where and she simply was not listening to me.........did you train her in customer service?
Your personal attacks are unwarranted and unprofessional, and your bash on Law Enforcement in unconsciounable..........
Folks....we here on the forum CAN have an effect on DTE's business, and I for one think that we should......
So, where did you address that your brace is ruining our cars and offer to make it right, Phil? If you can get it so my brace is not bashing my fuel lines...like several others here.....let's talk....
.I am sure that DTE will likely take me on for saying all of this, but if you do praise their products, then they have nothing but the best for you....praise them and they are very nice people -- to do anything else is to risk their wrath....go ahead, Phil...............make me a satisfied customer, please?
Phil
And I appologize if you took this has bashing. That's not the intention. But somehow, I think you know that.
Have a good day.
Jim
Best Regards,
Phil
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So, Phil......the reasonable fix for my brace that you are offering is????
I repeat:
This has nothing to do with the diff, and you know that....and you did NOT catch me in a lie, as I admitted to you I did not know about what the mechanic had done to my car prior to asking you why my diff was whining....My professional courtesy prohibits me from responding to you in the way you deserve........Jeez, Phil....your defensivness makes me think that you doth protest too much.......Your personal attacks are getting a little on the weird side here, Phil....and your denials that you are attacking???
.I am sure that DTE will likely take me on for saying all of this, but if you do praise their products, then they have nothing but the best for you....praise them and they are very nice people -- to do anything else is to risk their wrath....go ahead, Phil...............make me a satisfied customer, please?
--- well I'll let others decide as they read through this thread.....I am the one here that has simply wanted my probems with my brace addressed......not the diff, as you know that I am fighting that on an entirely separate battle field with my mechanic...........I never addressed the diff here --- only the brace.
Again.....exactly what is the solution you are offering to fix our braces? I am waiting and listening.........simple request...should be a simple answer.
Last edited by C6NRED; Jun 20, 2007 at 03:52 PM.



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