1 to 4th shift?
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Maybe you'd like to describe how CAGS got you "nearly got in several wrecks" ?????
Get real ... the skip shift feature occurs at such low speeds, and at such low throttle settings ... how did you manage to place yourself in such a dangerous position ???
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Like I said, it hasn't happened to me as I installed the eliminator just to be sure.
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You are pulling across a wide intersection uphill. You are not in a hurry (yet) so you are in 1st at low throttle and CAGS kicks in. You try to shift into 2nd but the car will not go into 2nd. If you are new to Vettes and CAGS it does not click in your brain right away that you gotta go for 4th. Perhap you try 2nd a couple of times and when that does not work you go for the next gear in a panic because the car is slowing down in the intersection and cars are coming. 3rd does not work either and finally you realize you must go for 4th but by this time the car is only going single digits. Vettes have great low end torque but even a Vette is a dog in 4th gear at sub-10mph speeds uphill. In fact you may even need to downshift and since you are already sure 2nd and 3rd don't work you go all the way back to 1st and romp on it spitting rubber and asphalt as you rocket across the intersection.
Ok, perhaps I over stated how close to an actual accident I came but the panic CAGS causes (a new driver) is similar to the feeling you get when you are nearly in a wreck. I'll bet sometime somewhere someone has been in an accident directly as a result of being unfamilar with CAGS.
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First of all where I live is hilly. It is in fact the low speed activaction that is the problem. Here is the situation:
You are pulling across a wide intersection uphill. You are not in a hurry (yet) so you are in 1st at low throttle and CAGS kicks in. You try to shift into 2nd but the car will not go into 2nd. If you are new to Vettes and CAGS it does not click in your brain right away that you gotta go for 4th. Perhap you try 2nd a couple of times and when that does not work you go for the next gear in a panic because the car is slowing down in the intersection and cars are coming. 3rd does not work either and finally you realize you must go for 4th but by this time the car is only going single digits. Vettes have great low end torque but even a Vette is a dog in 4th gear at sub-10mph speeds uphill. In fact you may even need to downshift and since you are already sure 2nd and 3rd don't work you go all the way back to 1st and romp on it spitting rubber and asphalt as you rocket across the intersection.
Ok, perhaps I over stated how close to an actual accident I came but the panic CAGS causes (a new driver) is similar to the feeling you get when you are nearly in a wreck. I'll bet sometime somewhere someone has been in an accident directly as a result of being unfamilar with CAGS.
You are pulling across a wide intersection uphill. You are not in a hurry (yet) so you are in 1st at low throttle and CAGS kicks in. You try to shift into 2nd but the car will not go into 2nd. If you are new to Vettes and CAGS it does not click in your brain right away that you gotta go for 4th. Perhap you try 2nd a couple of times and when that does not work you go for the next gear in a panic because the car is slowing down in the intersection and cars are coming. 3rd does not work either and finally you realize you must go for 4th but by this time the car is only going single digits. Vettes have great low end torque but even a Vette is a dog in 4th gear at sub-10mph speeds uphill. In fact you may even need to downshift and since you are already sure 2nd and 3rd don't work you go all the way back to 1st and romp on it spitting rubber and asphalt as you rocket across the intersection.
Ok, perhaps I over stated how close to an actual accident I came but the panic CAGS causes (a new driver) is similar to the feeling you get when you are nearly in a wreck. I'll bet sometime somewhere someone has been in an accident directly as a result of being unfamilar with CAGS.
Cant happen. You hardly realize the 2 to 4th bypass, you pull down to shift into second and instead it goes right down into 4th, no extra effort or thought needed. Most times I don't even realize it has happened. To someone who doesn't know what cags is, they wouldn't even know it happened.
I dont mind it at all.
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Cant happen. You hardly realize the 2 to 4th bypass, you pull down to shift into second and instead it goes right down into 4th, no extra effort or thought needed. Most times I don't even realize it has happened. To someone who doesn't know what cags is, they wouldn't even know it happened.
I dont mind it at all.
I dont mind it at all.
Not only do I not mind it ... I think GM was pretty clever with CAGS .... for less than $20.00 I can disable a feature that saved me over $1,000 in "gas-guzzler" taxes when I bought the car. That's a pretty good deal ...
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Cant happen. You hardly realize the 2 to 4th bypass, you pull down to shift into second and instead it goes right down into 4th, no extra effort or thought needed. Most times I don't even realize it has happened. To someone who doesn't know what cags is, they wouldn't even know it happened.
I dont mind it at all.
I dont mind it at all.
You have quite a bit of nerve telling me that something I've personally observed for a fact can't happen. It can happen, it did happen and it happened to me in my C4 and I didn't like it! I've never driven the C5 with CAGS working because I had it bypassed by the dealer before I ever took delivery of the car based on my personal experience with the C4. Perhaps the C5 is different?Funny thing is I skip gears all the time. I might choose to do a 1 to 4 shift after getting closer to 30mph in first. I've even done 1 to 6 shifts, but not at 20mph. I don't like being second guessed by some stupid automatic system.
If you like CAGS, fine, I have no problem with that. I don't mind it, so long as it can be disabled.....
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[QUOTE=lakedude;1561750656] You have quite a bit of nerve telling me that something I've personally observed for a fact can't happen. QUOTE]
Your scenario is completely bogus, you said "you try and shift into second and you cant" when CAGS is active, you don't even know you cant get into second, it goes right into 4th like butter, you don't have to "try" and go to fourth at all, it goes right in. There is no blocked shift and no loss of momentum. If you aren't familiar with Vettes or CAGS, you may not even know it has happened unless you get on it and notice a bit less acceleration, so that scenario is a stretch as well.
What you "observed" is something else, certianly not CAGS.
You have quite a bit of nerve telling me that something I've personally observed for a fact can't happen. QUOTE]Your scenario is completely bogus, you said "you try and shift into second and you cant" when CAGS is active, you don't even know you cant get into second, it goes right into 4th like butter, you don't have to "try" and go to fourth at all, it goes right in. There is no blocked shift and no loss of momentum. If you aren't familiar with Vettes or CAGS, you may not even know it has happened unless you get on it and notice a bit less acceleration, so that scenario is a stretch as well.
What you "observed" is something else, certianly not CAGS.
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[QUOTE=Chevy Guy;1561750775]
You have quite a bit of nerve telling me that something I've personally observed for a fact can't happen. QUOTE]
Your scenario is completely bogus, you said "you try and shift into second and you cant" when CAGS is active, you don't even know you cant get into second, it goes right into 4th like butter, you don't have to "try" and go to fourth at all, it goes right in. There is no blocked shift and no loss of momentum. If you aren't familiar with Vettes or CAGS, you may not even know it has happened unless you get on it and notice a bit less acceleration, so that scenario is a stretch as well.
What you "observed" is something else, certianly not CAGS.
Have you ever driven a C4 with CAGS? Have you ever tried to hit 3rd instead of 2nd? Does anybody know if CAGS works differently in a C4 vs a C5?
What I "observed" happened exactly as I described on my 1996 collector's edition (last year for the C4) High Output (330HP I think) C4. It was clearly CAGS because after installing a CAGS bypass kit it quit.
If you are expecting to be locked out of 2nd and 3rd you can aim for 4th and it will just glide it as you describe.
You have quite a bit of nerve telling me that something I've personally observed for a fact can't happen. QUOTE]Your scenario is completely bogus, you said "you try and shift into second and you cant" when CAGS is active, you don't even know you cant get into second, it goes right into 4th like butter, you don't have to "try" and go to fourth at all, it goes right in. There is no blocked shift and no loss of momentum. If you aren't familiar with Vettes or CAGS, you may not even know it has happened unless you get on it and notice a bit less acceleration, so that scenario is a stretch as well.
What you "observed" is something else, certianly not CAGS.
What I "observed" happened exactly as I described on my 1996 collector's edition (last year for the C4) High Output (330HP I think) C4. It was clearly CAGS because after installing a CAGS bypass kit it quit.
If you are expecting to be locked out of 2nd and 3rd you can aim for 4th and it will just glide it as you describe.
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[QUOTE=lakedude;1561751232]
This is the C5 forum .. take CAGS defeat off your C5 and you tell us if it feels different ....
CAGS was put on the C4-C5 and C6 for one and only one reason ... no, it wasn't to **** off drivers ... it allows the Corvette to achieve a fuel mileage number in the EPA city driving loop high enough to eliminate the "gas guzzler" tax. The car without CAGS would not meet the EPA mandated minimum fuel mileage, and the tax to a new car owner is over $1,000 .... as I said in an earlier post, I'll take CAGS over paying those morons in the Federal Govt. ANY time ... especially as I can "defeat" CAGS by either ...
1) installing a CAGS defeat resistor
2) step on the throttle HARDER .... as soon as throttle position goes beyond 21 percent the 1-to-4 shift light goes out ... hell, there are a lot of owners who have NEVER Seen the light come on because they don't drive the car like a ***** .... they GET ON THE LOUD PEDAL ....
Have you ever driven a C4 with CAGS? Have you ever tried to hit 3rd instead of 2nd? Does anybody know if CAGS works differently in a C4 vs a C5?
What I "observed" happened exactly as I described on my 1996 collector's edition (last year for the C4) High Output (330HP I think) C4. It was clearly CAGS because after installing a CAGS bypass kit it quit.
If you are expecting to be locked out of 2nd and 3rd you can aim for 4th and it will just glide it as you describe.
What I "observed" happened exactly as I described on my 1996 collector's edition (last year for the C4) High Output (330HP I think) C4. It was clearly CAGS because after installing a CAGS bypass kit it quit.
If you are expecting to be locked out of 2nd and 3rd you can aim for 4th and it will just glide it as you describe.
CAGS was put on the C4-C5 and C6 for one and only one reason ... no, it wasn't to **** off drivers ... it allows the Corvette to achieve a fuel mileage number in the EPA city driving loop high enough to eliminate the "gas guzzler" tax. The car without CAGS would not meet the EPA mandated minimum fuel mileage, and the tax to a new car owner is over $1,000 .... as I said in an earlier post, I'll take CAGS over paying those morons in the Federal Govt. ANY time ... especially as I can "defeat" CAGS by either ...
1) installing a CAGS defeat resistor
2) step on the throttle HARDER .... as soon as throttle position goes beyond 21 percent the 1-to-4 shift light goes out ... hell, there are a lot of owners who have NEVER Seen the light come on because they don't drive the car like a ***** .... they GET ON THE LOUD PEDAL ....
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Your statement is pretty pompous . Mine stops me from shifting - it is definately not as smooth as butter.
Your scenario is completely bogus, you said "you try and shift into second and you cant" when CAGS is active, you don't even know you cant get into second, it goes right into 4th like butter, you don't have to "try" and go to fourth at all, it goes right in. There is no blocked shift and no loss of momentum. If you aren't familiar with Vettes or CAGS, you may not even know it has happened unless you get on it and notice a bit less acceleration, so that scenario is a stretch as well.
What you "observed" is something else, certianly not CAGS.
What you "observed" is something else, certianly not CAGS.
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My statement is clear, consise, and based on experience and sound facts.
If thats a fact then your car has an issue. CAGS 2nd to 4th bypass is seamless and transparent.
If thats a fact then your car has an issue. CAGS 2nd to 4th bypass is seamless and transparent.
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I never really understood all the complaining about this....I bought an 02 and thought, Oh man, gonna have to buy this eliminator thing cause this sounds way too much like a majoy pain in the butt. Since I have driven and owned mine, I for the life of me don't understand what all the fuss is about. Whenever I see this light, I just give it just a little bit more and the light goes off, and I shift....no problem at all. Goes right into 2nd every time. And when I say just a little bit more...thats all I do....see the light come on....like 1 second more on the throttle, light goes out....shift.
just my 02 lol
just my 02 lol
I dont see the big deal either but i do the opposite when im in traffic i take my foot off the gas for a sec and the light goes out then i shift to second.
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Black-6-dude
I understand why they put CAGS in Corvettes and I don't mind it being there so long as it can be disabled. I would not purchase a MT6 Vette if CAGS could not be disabled....
If I was the only one that felt like this they wouldn't sell very many CAGS disable kits, would they?
I understand why they put CAGS in Corvettes and I don't mind it being there so long as it can be disabled. I would not purchase a MT6 Vette if CAGS could not be disabled....
If I was the only one that felt like this they wouldn't sell very many CAGS disable kits, would they?
