Another Car won't start ..
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Another Car won't start ..
I drive the car everyday. Drove it yesterday.
This morning it won't start. Dash lights come on gages move but won't start. Nothing happens.
Try to jump several times.
Check Corvette forum and checked the wire to the starter. It is tight.
Took the battery to auto store. They said the battery was bad. I bought a new AC/Delco.
Put in new battery.
NO START.
Jump would not start it.
Check the DIC codes all said NO Codes.
Any ideas??????
This morning it won't start. Dash lights come on gages move but won't start. Nothing happens.
Try to jump several times.
Check Corvette forum and checked the wire to the starter. It is tight.
Took the battery to auto store. They said the battery was bad. I bought a new AC/Delco.
Put in new battery.
NO START.
Jump would not start it.
Check the DIC codes all said NO Codes.
Any ideas??????
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6 Speed:
Have someone sit in car with clutch pedal down and key on stick a screwdriver into the starter to make sure the starter works.
If the starter works, if you have a friend with a Vette I would swap out the AntiTheft DEterent Relay (I've had two go bad) and see if that does the trick. They are located on top of the BCM module in the passenger footwell.
Clutch safety switch under the clutch pedal. Eacy and cheap swap (pop out and in) so that would be next.
A4:
Same with the starter above. Car in park of course and key on.
Same with the Theft DEterent Relay.
Lastly, Neutral Safety Shutoff switch on the transmission. You can change it yourself.
Have someone sit in car with clutch pedal down and key on stick a screwdriver into the starter to make sure the starter works.
If the starter works, if you have a friend with a Vette I would swap out the AntiTheft DEterent Relay (I've had two go bad) and see if that does the trick. They are located on top of the BCM module in the passenger footwell.
Clutch safety switch under the clutch pedal. Eacy and cheap swap (pop out and in) so that would be next.
A4:
Same with the starter above. Car in park of course and key on.
Same with the Theft DEterent Relay.
Lastly, Neutral Safety Shutoff switch on the transmission. You can change it yourself.
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jirasvet, At this point, no dump questions. I mean the starter will not engage.
78Vette-SA, I will give these options a try. but at this point I will have to do that tomorrow. These are some options that I have not seen before. So I will give them a try. By the way, it is a six speed.
Thanks
78Vette-SA, I will give these options a try. but at this point I will have to do that tomorrow. These are some options that I have not seen before. So I will give them a try. By the way, it is a six speed.
Thanks
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jirasvet, At this point, no dump questions. I mean the starter will not engage.
78Vette-SA, I will give these options a try. but at this point I will have to do that tomorrow. These are some options that I have not seen before. So I will give them a try. By the way, it is a six speed.
Thanks
78Vette-SA, I will give these options a try. but at this point I will have to do that tomorrow. These are some options that I have not seen before. So I will give them a try. By the way, it is a six speed.
Thanks
BTW, one way to check for the TDR relay operation (at least to hear if it's activating) is to turn the key to the "on" position and then slowly push the clutch pedal all the way down and release. Do that a few times to see if you can hear the relay clicking. You may have to remove the fuse access panel in the pass. side toe-board to hear better. Keep us posted.
HTH
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LoneStarFRC, I tried cleaning the key and the key cylinder. Unfortuneatly, no success. Still doesn't start.
I tried listening for the click with the TDR relay. I could not hear anything.
Thanks
I tried listening for the click with the TDR relay. I could not hear anything.
Thanks
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I'll have to dig out my manual to trace the circuit to see which fuse may be involved in that circuit, or have you already checked that as well?
BTW, is your info correct? Are you working on a '95?
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My problem is on a 2001 C5, six speed.
Sorry for the confusion with my Id. I just sold my 1995 and bought the wonderful C5............ that won't run. The ID seemed like a good idea at the time but I guess I need to change it.
So this is a true C5 problem.
thanks
Sorry for the confusion with my Id. I just sold my 1995 and bought the wonderful C5............ that won't run. The ID seemed like a good idea at the time but I guess I need to change it.
So this is a true C5 problem.
thanks
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BTW, tomorrow when you check #14 (assuming it's good) also check Maxi-Fuse #52 in the underhood fuse panel. It's a "jumbo" sized 60 amp fuse.
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Okay, I pulled and check both the 14 and 52 fuses. they are both good. made sure all fuses are in tightly.
C5 still won't start.
Sat. I drove the card hard and made a couple of hard (power) shifts that jerked the car. Could that have knocked somthing loose? drove home fine. parked it and now it won't start.
C5 still won't start.
Sat. I drove the card hard and made a couple of hard (power) shifts that jerked the car. Could that have knocked somthing loose? drove home fine. parked it and now it won't start.
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Okay, I pulled and check both the 14 and 52 fuses. they are both good. made sure all fuses are in tightly.
C5 still won't start.
Sat. I drove the card hard and made a couple of hard (power) shifts that jerked the car. Could that have knocked somthing loose? drove home fine. parked it and now it won't start.
C5 still won't start.
Sat. I drove the card hard and made a couple of hard (power) shifts that jerked the car. Could that have knocked somthing loose? drove home fine. parked it and now it won't start.
Do not mean to sound as if I am coming off as a smart ***. I am just curious as to the no start so i know what future problems i can expect and how to solve on a C-5
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Jirasvet, thanks for the reminder. I just took a look at it. It seems fine, not damaged. I did not pull it out and replace. I would hope the would handle a hard shift every now and then.
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May have internal damage springs and contacts weaken over time, you may want to take it out and do an ohms/continuity test on to see if it is switching like it is suppose to. or jump wire the connector and try to start it.
You have checked all the easy stuff please post up when convenient on the other that 78Vette-SA recommended
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Just disconnect the clutch safety switch connector from the switch, use a small piece if wire and jumper the TWO connections in the plug. If the switch is bad, the jumper wire will allow the car to start! ***Remember*** if you jumper that switch out, the car will start IN GEAR with the clutch OUT!
If you cant hear the Theft deterrent relay in the passengers foot well click when you press and release the safety switch, the switch or relay is BAD!
Those switches DO fail and quite frequently. That would be the VERY first place that I would look. The grease inside the switch gets NASTY and the contacts turn GREEN
BEEN THERE!
Oh,,,by the way, getting the old switch off the fire wall is w real PITA!
You have to slip a thick feeler gage behind the switch to release the catch that hold it in place!
BC
If you cant hear the Theft deterrent relay in the passengers foot well click when you press and release the safety switch, the switch or relay is BAD!
Those switches DO fail and quite frequently. That would be the VERY first place that I would look. The grease inside the switch gets NASTY and the contacts turn GREEN
BEEN THERE!Oh,,,by the way, getting the old switch off the fire wall is w real PITA!
You have to slip a thick feeler gage behind the switch to release the catch that hold it in place! BC
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Just disconnect the clutch safety switch connector from the switch, use a small piece if wire and jumper the TWO connections in the plug. If the switch is bad, the jumper wire will allow the car to start! ***Remember*** if you jumper that switch out, the car will start IN GEAR with the clutch OUT!
If you cant hear the Theft deterrent relay in the passengers foot well click when you press and release the safety switch, the switch or relay is BAD!
Those switches DO fail and quite frequently. That would be the VERY first place that I would look. The grease inside the switch gets NASTY and the contacts turn GREEN BEEN THERE!
Oh,,,by the way, getting the old switch off the fire wall is w real PITA! You have to slip a thick feeler gage behind the switch to release the catch that hold it in place!
BC
If you cant hear the Theft deterrent relay in the passengers foot well click when you press and release the safety switch, the switch or relay is BAD!
Those switches DO fail and quite frequently. That would be the VERY first place that I would look. The grease inside the switch gets NASTY and the contacts turn GREEN
BEEN THERE!Oh,,,by the way, getting the old switch off the fire wall is w real PITA!
You have to slip a thick feeler gage behind the switch to release the catch that hold it in place! BC
Red95: If you find a bad CPP switch, it carries GM part # 14094368 and the TDR relay is # 12177233.
BTW, one other quick question. Do you hear the fuel pump come on when you turn the key to "on"? It should run for 2 seconds each time.
Last edited by LoneStarFRC; Sep 10, 2007 at 01:28 PM.