I have never had to use the spray while racing someone. For less than 1k I picked up 135rwhp & 230 RWTQ. It's cool to be able to go to the dyno or dragstrip and put down some good #s. When it's not needed it's not used. Maybe one pass in a car on juice will change your mind. :yesnod:

C5-VERT,
Coming to Jackson this weekend? Hope to see you there. :)

 

I think your numbers are way off. $6,540 over three years is $2180 a year which means you get in 54.5 times (using your $40 a night) to the track per season using a FULL bottle each time. I think that is high. I think that number could represent a full time crosscountry racer who enters the brackets and races for the purse and uses buybacks. However, 54 events in a year is very very high, that is one EVERY weekend. Just no way that will happen and even less so in a cliamte that has winter. Even if you were full time racing the car and it never broke you would just include the nos cost of your $2180/year as the cost of doing business, probably a tax right off if you setup you car as business racing.
Now for the average NOS user, they may go through a bottle once or twice a month. So that is $40-80 a month for about 6 months, so $240-480 a year. That is nothing to get the power that nos adds. :cheers:

 

what needs to be proved? Nitrous is a legitimate power adder. There people go denying physics again. What's your beef? If you don't like it, don't use it. 9 times out 10 folks that don't like it have never TRIED it. Oh yeah, then there are the horror stories, aren't there? Thrown rods, cracked heads, etc... Truth is you can build any block and drop in excess of 20K and it will blow just sure as the world at SOME point. The beauty or the sickening truth of Nitrous is a guy can spray 250-500 HP or more with very little in cash invested and blow your built motor in the weeds. Will this motor on Nitrous blow up? You bet at SOME point. That same " cheater" can take his blown nitrous motor, go buy another crate block and blow it again and save money from what you would spend trying to keep up. You might give that "math" a try again...


[Modified by 2ndVette, 10:59 PM 11/14/2001]

 

Are we at war yet????????????

:cool: :cheers:

 

I know the crowd here is very N2O friendly but I'm going to say this anyway. Flame me if you want.

1) The fact that anyone can do Nitrous is in itself a reason that nitrous is less appealing to ME.

2) When the bottle is empty the power is gone.

Therefore:

THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT.

But, that's me. I don't care what you use or what you support. As long as you like it and don't kill yourself or someone else with it. (That applies to both sides of the coin.)

 

AH YES, the GREAT EQUALIZER :lol:
When I go to the track, the WAXERs stay in their own little group and Whine about me Cheating. The rest of the people are looking at my car in amazement :eek:
I can tell you it will take more than 10K to keep up with a stock N2O car.
My 422 may not be as fast as what I have now without the JUICE :D

 

Well, I have N20, and i think it is a legit power adder. And to the post about bracket racing....who the hell cares about N20 in a bracket race. I have seen so many 17 sec. trucks win bracket racing, cuz the vehicles wont spin and they run the same every time. When i bracket race, i ONLY use the N20 if i spin off the line (which happens very rarely), or if i wanna fake someone out at the end and hit the brakes to get them to break out. It is all part of the game of racing. The better driver with a consistent car wins. It is not the fastest car. I love the juice, as it is a awesome rush to feel an extra 100 rwhp kick in at the push of a button. I dont use it unless i need it, and as far as im concerned, its not as hard on the motor as a supercharger, since it is not putting a constant wear and tear on the motor. A N20 bottle with a 100 shot only lasts approx 5 runs (10 lb bottle) , which is 75 sec (at the very most).. and a supercharger is there all the time putting approx 100 rwhp strain on stock pistons, rods, etc. You figure the math and see what im talking about. I had a 2000 silverado that had a 125 shot dry on it, and sprayed a bottle a week (sometimes more) for over a year, and i had absolutely no problems whatsoever. Traded it in, and no one was the wiser. Ran just as good on motor after spraying as it did before.

Daren




[Modified by LovintheC5, 4:39 AM 11/15/2001]

 

Purerock105, Nitrous is a mod that adds power, and looking in your signature I see that you have a Halltech Tric, which is also a mod that adds power, it is no different than people having a Turbo or supercharger, whether it is 20hp or 300hp it makes no difference, a car useing NOS runs faster than he normally could without it, just as you run faster with the aftermarket intake than you would without it, so by going with your own theory I guess you are a cheater also. Some people come up with the excuse that once the bottle goes empty the power is gone, which is true and exactly my my Z06 is in the shop getting cartek stage 2 heads/cam, LT headers, Ported intake manifold, 30# injectors, pulleys, and PCM program , 125 shot of Nitrous to go along with my current mods , so even if my bottle runs out I wont have to worry about to many people, Geez I must be one of the biggest cheaters on the forum :rolleyes:
Run what you bring, Nitrous is no more cheating than having any other aftermarket part that adds power. Cheating is when you play BlackJack and hide all the aces, kings , and queens, underneath your leg , and switch them with the bad cards to win, that is cheating, you are flat out wrong with your statement.

 

Nitrous is just another mod and the systems can be very elaborate. I don't run it in my car however since I'm keeping it pretty much stock. :chevy

 

Going fast is going fast - who cares how you get there. The only guys saying "but" are the guys who lost. I lost "but" he was using nitrous. I also never understand why guys who use nitrous want to hide it. When they are hiding the fact they are using, it does kinda support the steriod theory.

 

PureRock105,
I'm willing to bet that you've had your butt handed to you by a NOS equipped car! Anyway, not everyone knows you've got NOS unless you can't keep your mouth shut and tell everyone what you've got.
In a "Run what you brung" race, there are no "but's", only money changing hands. Fastest car wins, BUT I guess that's not you.

 

Hi Forum,

Most people who don't like N20, have never used it. It is a BLAST!!!!! I don't have it on my C5, but had it on a 68 Camaro with a 540c.i. Camaro that I had. It had a 2-stage NOS setup that was 200hp/400hp and there isn't a cheaper mod that works. If I spent time at the track, I raced for personal satisfaction, so I raced the clock. Now street racing is another story. Once someone found out that you were sprayin', they would either back out or want car lengths and the bust.This is what I don't understand, you can put nitrous on your car just the same as I can and then you'd be hearing the excuses instead of making them.

:flag GOD Bless America :flag

 

What exactly is proved by using nitrous?

Well, that you can race two equally equiped/modded cars and they will run even. Then one has a kit installed and it's pulling away. Pretty simple.

 

" Run what you brung"!! :smash:

 

WOW!!! I never thought i would see so much rants and raves about "Weezin' Da juice!!" in just a few days.

"Why use nitrous...?" Because YOU Can!! Because you want to maintain every OUNCE of you factory driveability without sacrificing one shred of performance. Sure, the empty bottle issue sucks. Get it filled or have a spare ready.

Nitrous is safer and has less harmful effects than Turbo or supercharging. NOS is thermal friendly with your engine and thus creates less stress if jetted and used properly. This is not just a theory. It has been proven since before WWII when its use on Military aircraft was widely accepted by the Rolls Royce company. Our favorite aircraft, such as the P51 and Supermarine Spitfire both used over a 1000 hp boost in power by the use of Nitrous oxide injection.

I have built a zillion nitrous systems. Some of my favorites were completely hidden kits. I have had "Sneaky Pete" bottles hidden in the doors of a car and the lines run through the frame rails. The injection was done either under the intake or at the head port, fed by lines that were routed through the engine block. I have hidden a nitrous bottle inside the oil pan of an engine before. A famous ProStock Truck team got SO busted for cheating when they did the same thing and their engine blew up on the line... the bottle went rolling on the ground and everyone knew what it was for.

I took a slow boring Dodge Neon and ran a nice 11.85@117mph with a 200hp shot on an engine that didn't make 175 on its own. I am currently running a two stage system on my friend's 1997 Viper GTS. The first stage comes on immediately at WOT with an extra 175 ponies. When I shift to second gear, I hit the button and add another 200 horsepower. This equates to a nice 10.41@139mph pass with a fairly stock Viper. Do I ever use both stages on the street..? I have not had to, yet. But, it is nice to know that I have the flexibility to race someone with just engine, one stage, the second stage, or both. To me, it is not a necessity, but more like having an extra insurance policy. I typically never NEED it, but its nice to know that it is there IF I ever NEED it.

Lets also get to the real meat here. When I have installed nitrous on a car, and later decide to sell that vehicle... I remove all the components, replace any tubes or small parts needed and sell it. I still have the useful parts should I decide to put them on another car. I have lost nothing but some time. I do not lose any appreciable value because the car has been modded so much that it now only fits a small niche of buyers. I get a higher resale and quicker turnover. You just cannot say the same for a car that has Heads & Cam or even more, a stroker. That money is gone. FOREVER!!

So, there is my arguement and the points why I like "Weezin' Da Juice!!!"

 

I think the point that was being made was that it takes a hell of a lot more skill to find 150 ponies under the hood mechanically than to throw a 150hp N2O shot on. A 500 HP non-N2O engine is more impressive to me than a 350 HP motor with a 150 HP N2O shot. To me, it's like running an automatic. It takes more skill to run a manual than an auto. I'd have more pride in losing by a hair in a non-N2O 500 HP manual transmission car to a 350HP 150HP N2O shot automatic than visa-versa.

That's just me.

 

Wow! Lessons learned. Nitrous=FUN. I can buy that :)

Run What You Brung...Very popular sentiment, makes sense too. :cool:

Nitrous...It's not for everybody. Different strokes for different folks. :D

I haven't lost to a Nitrous car, because I haven't raced one. That was why I was asking. Maybe I should have re-phrased my topic excluding the word "prove'.

I'm just getting into this 'racing; thang. Did not mean to offend anyone. ;)

Knowledge is Power, and that's why I love this Forum :cheers:


[Modified by Purerock105, 11:50 AM 11/15/2001]

 

:lol:

No really - I want to use it - but my woman has given me a complex, as everytime I bring it up she starts shouting Bottles are for babies!. :eek: I wish they would put in some sort of additive that cleans the heads out (like a de-carb procedure) so I could go back to her and say: "Yea - we need it - as it keeps your engine clean, and we MUST run at least every 3K miles!" :lol:

 

The problem many have with Nitrous N2O, not "NOS" the company. hehe thought I would point that out.

Is that it is a very temporary power adder.

I agree, if you get beat by it, you got beat.

Many like to race top speed, or endurance, and many other forms of racing where nitrous is just not an option. Only raw power.

 

When I HAD juice on my C5, everytime I beat someone while spraying (Chris), I never felt like a champion.. But when I beat someone on BARE motor, I feel like a hero! :cheers:

The worst scenerio is losing while spraying.. OUCH!!! :crazy:





[Modified by J99FRC, 9:51 AM 11/15/2001]