Help me pick my cam details inside. :)
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Le Mans Master
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From: Norcal
Help me pick my cam details inside. :)
Picking up an 01Z this week and will have a set of long tubes, comp 918's, new pushrods, UD pulley, CAI, etc.... Car will run on stock heads and will have a full tune. I want something that sounds good with a small lope, but it needs to be very streetable and make good power. I want to see 440 +/-. Cam will be coming from MTI. I am thinking the G1 will be my best bet but wanted your feedback. Also might see a 75hp shot of nitrous on a very rare occasion, but don't let that make the decision.
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440 on stock heads? That might be a tall order.
PP AFR205s or PP Trick Flow heads and a BIG cam would get you close
More like 400 +/- on stock heads and a good size cam
And your in CA, so you have that CARB crap. AFR205s are CARB certified and they also make cams IIRC
Good Luck
PP AFR205s or PP Trick Flow heads and a BIG cam would get you close
More like 400 +/- on stock heads and a good size cam
And your in CA, so you have that CARB crap. AFR205s are CARB certified and they also make cams IIRC
Good Luck
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Le Mans Master
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From: Norcal
You are right. I might just settle for the G1 and call it a day.
440 on stock heads? That might be a tall order.
PP AFR205s or PP Trick Flow heads and a BIG cam would get you close
More like 400 +/- on stock heads and a good size cam
And your in CA, so you have that CARB crap. AFR205s are CARB certified and they also make cams IIRC
Good Luck
PP AFR205s or PP Trick Flow heads and a BIG cam would get you close
More like 400 +/- on stock heads and a good size cam
And your in CA, so you have that CARB crap. AFR205s are CARB certified and they also make cams IIRC
Good Luck
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You would need to confirm with Tony, but they make two cams for their head setup. One is the 224/228 but that is marginal at best for emissions in CA and likely a high risk of not passing. They also have a 220/224, which I believe is more likely to pass. Both are on 114's. I wouldn't write off the smaller cam too quickly, a friend installed a 220/224 (different vendor) on a 112 and hit 398 hp cam only on stock 241 heads. With the AFR's, it would be a potent street package.
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440 on stock heads? That might be a tall order.
PP AFR205s or PP Trick Flow heads and a BIG cam would get you close
More like 400 +/- on stock heads and a good size cam
And your in CA, so you have that CARB crap. AFR205s are CARB certified and they also make cams IIRC
Good Luck
PP AFR205s or PP Trick Flow heads and a BIG cam would get you close
More like 400 +/- on stock heads and a good size cam
And your in CA, so you have that CARB crap. AFR205s are CARB certified and they also make cams IIRC
Good Luck
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Le Mans Master
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From: Norcal
I might have biten off more then I thought. I figured with a ud pulley, intake, and long tubes it would be doable with a decent cam. I think I want something more closer to the G5X2 or 3.
Safety Car
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It'll take a huge cam to get 440rwhp or your going to have to replace the heads. To give you an ideal - Mike (bullit410) has a 23x/24x cam, with LT's and a FAST intake and he's making 436rwhp (stock 243 heads). I have a 228/232 cam with LT headers and stock LS6 heads and intake, and I make 417rwhp on the dynojet and 423rwhp on a dynapak.
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Le Mans Master
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From: Norcal
It'll take a huge cam to get 440rwhp or your going to have to replace the heads. To give you an ideal - Mike (bullit410) has a 23x/24x cam, with LT's and a FAST intake and he's making 436rwhp (stock 243 heads). I have a 228/232 cam with LT headers and stock LS6 heads and intake, and I make 417rwhp on the dynojet and 423rwhp on a dynapak.
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When it stops raining out here, I'll bring mine in to work and let you hear it (I'm also in Pleasanton down the street from you). Ask your co-worker Michael - if he's back from Brazil - about my cam lope. It's perfect to me.
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Actually, it is fairly easy with a good tuner. Cobra4B has a G5X2 cam on stock 243 heads and put down 436 RWHP. Its very doable !!
http://lgmotorsports.com/gallery/dis...album=3&pos=78
http://lgmotorsports.com/gallery/dis...album=3&pos=78
It certainly is doable, but is definately not even close to the norm. Dyno operators can skew results too...
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It'll take a huge cam to get 440rwhp or your going to have to replace the heads. To give you an ideal - Mike (bullit410) has a 23x/24x cam, with LT's and a FAST intake and he's making 436rwhp (stock 243 heads). I have a 228/232 cam with LT headers and stock LS6 heads and intake, and I make 417rwhp on the dynojet and 423rwhp on a dynapak.
I have an 03 LS1. Took off the LS1 heads 241s and Put on slightly PP 243 ( LS6 heads) Comp springs and a Comp 224/228 581/581 112 LSA, LTs yata yata. 403 rwhp / 407 rwtq SAE Dyno Jet - three years ago. Now with ware and tear and a re tune last winter, ( have not done this winters tune) around 395/397 i.e. 400+/- SAE corrected. Mustang Dynos will read much higher into the 420s or so.
Now I also know a engine builder or two who can take a LS6/LS2 and get 530-550 to the ground. It is not stock and will last about 6 hours before rebuild is needed.
the choices are: HP & Speed, reliability, Relative costs. Pick TWO as you cant have all three.
The last thing is, Who cares? Numbers are for bench and bar racing. it the SOTP feeling and how the car is driven. ( the driver is more important then dyno numbers)
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Le Mans Master
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From: Norcal
I spoke with Jason last night (Guy I bought the cam from) and we decided that the MTI G1 would be perfect for me. These numbers are also VERY close to Robert's (My tuner) recomendation. My two choices were these:
G1 228/232 .588 .575 LSA 113
X1 230/227 .591 .571 LSA 112
I think the G1 is an overall good cam. With the X1 it seems to be somewhat more agressive and has a reverse split. I don't know what the hell that means But it does. HAHA Now I know the 440 mark will not be reached with this cam, but with 420 I will be more then pleased and a little bump of happy juice and I should reach 500hp and get most of the torque back.
G1 228/232 .588 .575 LSA 113
X1 230/227 .591 .571 LSA 112
I think the G1 is an overall good cam. With the X1 it seems to be somewhat more agressive and has a reverse split. I don't know what the hell that means
But it does. HAHA Now I know the 440 mark will not be reached with this cam, but with 420 I will be more then pleased and a little bump of happy juice and I should reach 500hp and get most of the torque back.