E3 sparkplugs????
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Hey .... you think I'm joking about this stuff ....... I used to wear just a "cheap" tin foil hat ...... but thank you to the Internet I found the answer to the problem .......
http://www.zapatopi.net/afdb/
You folks are seriously deranged if you are not protecting yourself with products such as this .....
Sorry, I have to shut my PC down .... the feds are tracking me by my IP address .... just because I said that Bugs Bunny doesn't really exist, the feds have been all over my azz ....
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More plug info at this site than you can swing a wire at!
http://www.sparkplugs.com/sparkplug4...he+news&mfid=0
http://www.sparkplugs.com/sparkplug4...he+news&mfid=0
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More plug info at this site than you can swing a wire at!
http://www.sparkplugs.com/sparkplug4...he+news&mfid=0
http://www.sparkplugs.com/sparkplug4...he+news&mfid=0
1) The tests are being conducted on a "NASCAR" engine .... carburetor and distributor layout ..... hardly compares to our fuel injected engines with electronic ignition
2) The "chart" showing how this plug delivers "improved" HP and TQ over the Autolite plugs is clever. Note that the "improvement" occurs between 5000 and 6000 RPM ... and that the E3 appears to be "worse" below 5000 RPM ... but the chart cuts off and doesn't show how much worse .... 10 HP ??? ... 20 HP at 3000 RPM ??? ..... for a "street" engine most of your engine life is spent at well under 5000 RPM. Note to self .... next time I'm building a Corvette engine for Talladega .... consider E3 plugs
3) The article writer says "For what it’s worth, I think
they may work best in Street Stock applications
or any induction-restricted, moderate
compression type of engine." ..... I don't see the LSx engine as "Street Stock" (1960's distributor and carburetor) .... induction restricted (I threw away my NASCAR "restrictor plate" when I put my CAGS defeat on the car) or "moderate compression" as we're running close enough to knocking to need knock sensors on the engine.
4) Without knowing a whole lot more about his dyno system, I'd question how he's measuring a 0.03 HP difference between two plugs .... seems pretty hard to believe ....
The article doesn't impress me ... YMMV ....
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You are both posting to the same file (article) ......
1) The tests are being conducted on a "NASCAR" engine .... carburetor and distributor layout ..... hardly compares to our fuel injected engines with electronic ignition
2) The "chart" showing how this plug delivers "improved" HP and TQ over the Autolite plugs is clever. Note that the "improvement" occurs between 5000 and 6000 RPM ... and that the E3 appears to be "worse" below 5000 RPM ... but the chart cuts off and doesn't show how much worse .... 10 HP ??? ... 20 HP at 3000 RPM ??? ..... for a "street" engine most of your engine life is spent at well under 5000 RPM. Note to self .... next time I'm building a Corvette engine for Talladega .... consider E3 plugs
3) The article writer says "For what it’s worth, I think
they may work best in Street Stock applications
or any induction-restricted, moderate
compression type of engine." ..... I don't see the LSx engine as "Street Stock" (1960's distributor and carburetor) .... induction restricted (I threw away my NASCAR "restrictor plate" when I put my CAGS defeat on the car) or "moderate compression" as we're running close enough to knocking to need knock sensors on the engine.
4) Without knowing a whole lot more about his dyno system, I'd question how he's measuring a 0.03 HP difference between two plugs .... seems pretty hard to believe ....
The article doesn't impress me ... YMMV ....
1) The tests are being conducted on a "NASCAR" engine .... carburetor and distributor layout ..... hardly compares to our fuel injected engines with electronic ignition
2) The "chart" showing how this plug delivers "improved" HP and TQ over the Autolite plugs is clever. Note that the "improvement" occurs between 5000 and 6000 RPM ... and that the E3 appears to be "worse" below 5000 RPM ... but the chart cuts off and doesn't show how much worse .... 10 HP ??? ... 20 HP at 3000 RPM ??? ..... for a "street" engine most of your engine life is spent at well under 5000 RPM. Note to self .... next time I'm building a Corvette engine for Talladega .... consider E3 plugs
3) The article writer says "For what it’s worth, I think
they may work best in Street Stock applications
or any induction-restricted, moderate
compression type of engine." ..... I don't see the LSx engine as "Street Stock" (1960's distributor and carburetor) .... induction restricted (I threw away my NASCAR "restrictor plate" when I put my CAGS defeat on the car) or "moderate compression" as we're running close enough to knocking to need knock sensors on the engine.
4) Without knowing a whole lot more about his dyno system, I'd question how he's measuring a 0.03 HP difference between two plugs .... seems pretty hard to believe ....
The article doesn't impress me ... YMMV ....
You know what P.T. Barnum said...............
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You are both posting to the same file (article) ......
I was trying to point out the more interesting info to the left of the page more so than the E3's.
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You are both posting to the same file (article) ......
1) The tests are being conducted on a "NASCAR" engine .... carburetor and distributor layout ..... hardly compares to our fuel injected engines with electronic ignition
2) The "chart" showing how this plug delivers "improved" HP and TQ over the Autolite plugs is clever. Note that the "improvement" occurs between 5000 and 6000 RPM ... and that the E3 appears to be "worse" below 5000 RPM ... but the chart cuts off and doesn't show how much worse .... 10 HP ??? ... 20 HP at 3000 RPM ??? ..... for a "street" engine most of your engine life is spent at well under 5000 RPM. Note to self .... next time I'm building a Corvette engine for Talladega .... consider E3 plugs
3) The article writer says "For what it’s worth, I think
they may work best in Street Stock applications
or any induction-restricted, moderate
compression type of engine." ..... I don't see the LSx engine as "Street Stock" (1960's distributor and carburetor) .... induction restricted (I threw away my NASCAR "restrictor plate" when I put my CAGS defeat on the car) or "moderate compression" as we're running close enough to knocking to need knock sensors on the engine.
4) Without knowing a whole lot more about his dyno system, I'd question how he's measuring a 0.03 HP difference between two plugs .... seems pretty hard to believe ....
The article doesn't impress me ... YMMV ....
1) The tests are being conducted on a "NASCAR" engine .... carburetor and distributor layout ..... hardly compares to our fuel injected engines with electronic ignition
2) The "chart" showing how this plug delivers "improved" HP and TQ over the Autolite plugs is clever. Note that the "improvement" occurs between 5000 and 6000 RPM ... and that the E3 appears to be "worse" below 5000 RPM ... but the chart cuts off and doesn't show how much worse .... 10 HP ??? ... 20 HP at 3000 RPM ??? ..... for a "street" engine most of your engine life is spent at well under 5000 RPM. Note to self .... next time I'm building a Corvette engine for Talladega .... consider E3 plugs
3) The article writer says "For what it’s worth, I think
they may work best in Street Stock applications
or any induction-restricted, moderate
compression type of engine." ..... I don't see the LSx engine as "Street Stock" (1960's distributor and carburetor) .... induction restricted (I threw away my NASCAR "restrictor plate" when I put my CAGS defeat on the car) or "moderate compression" as we're running close enough to knocking to need knock sensors on the engine.
4) Without knowing a whole lot more about his dyno system, I'd question how he's measuring a 0.03 HP difference between two plugs .... seems pretty hard to believe ....
The article doesn't impress me ... YMMV ....
If you build a 400hp for Talladega you will lose. Street stock to me means just that. Maybe it has another meaning that I am not aware of.
It see to me that you are questioning Vizard as he has some hidden agenda? Can you point to any other time that Vizard has hype a procduct for financial gain? Pure conjecture. SInce it seems hard to beleive waht about the other DYNO test on that site? Did you read those and see that some plugs were in the range of 2-3 HP and 3-5 TQ over a stock plug? Wait this was on a turbo 4 so I guess it means the test are worthless?
As I said he said showed promise. Maybe worth trying? Can you show the dyno tests you have conducted regarding spark plugs? If you have some facts that we don't have please post it.
Bottom line is that there are some actual test showing that some plugs give more HP/TQ over a stock type plug. Unless there are other dyno test that refute these then how can you call BS?
I still by my NGK's but I may one day try one or two of these plugs to see if they work in my application.
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The test were not on a CUP engine, but a NASCAR nontheless. A 400hp combustion engine vs around 400hp stock combustion engine, what was i thinking. An engine with an all electronic ignition versus points and a distributor ????? Apples and Oranges ... our ignition can control things like dwell on an individual cylinder basis .... can't do that with a distributor based system.
If you build a 400hp for Talladega you will lose.
My point about Talladega is that the engine (whatever HP) is running at (or near) redline for the duration of the race .... a street car would rarely be driven that way. Since his chart clearly showed the E3 plugs were WORSE at lower RPM ... for a street vehicle they look like a poor choice since the engine spends the vast majority of its life below 5000 RPM
Street stock to me means just that. Maybe it has another meaning that I am not aware of.
It does ..... it is a NASCAR "class" of racing ... see
http://www.racer-net.com/nscrss.htm
or
http://www.okanaganstreetstock.com/index.html
two sites I found with a quick search .... I took his use of Street Stock (note he capitalized it) to mean EXACTLY what he meant ... a NASCAR Street Stock engine ... not a "street" vehicle.
It see to me that you are questioning Vizard as he has some hidden agenda? Can you point to any other time that Vizard has hype a procduct for financial gain? Pure conjecture. SInce it seems hard to beleive waht about the other DYNO test on that site? Did you read those and see that some plugs were in the range of 2-3 HP and 3-5 TQ over a stock plug? Wait this was on a turbo 4 so I guess it means the test are worthless?
I said nothing about a hidden agenda ... what I was trying to point out that he is testing for NASCAR race engines ... his testing does not apply to a street driven Corvette with an electronic ignition.
As I said he said showed promise. Maybe worth trying? Can you show the dyno tests you have conducted regarding spark plugs? If you have some facts that we don't have please post it.
Bottom line is that there are some actual test showing that some plugs give more HP/TQ over a stock type plug. Unless there are other dyno test that refute these then how can you call BS?
Where did I call BS ???
I still by my NGK's but I may one day try one or two of these plugs to see if they work in my application.
If you build a 400hp for Talladega you will lose.
My point about Talladega is that the engine (whatever HP) is running at (or near) redline for the duration of the race .... a street car would rarely be driven that way. Since his chart clearly showed the E3 plugs were WORSE at lower RPM ... for a street vehicle they look like a poor choice since the engine spends the vast majority of its life below 5000 RPM
Street stock to me means just that. Maybe it has another meaning that I am not aware of.
It does ..... it is a NASCAR "class" of racing ... see
http://www.racer-net.com/nscrss.htm
or
http://www.okanaganstreetstock.com/index.html
two sites I found with a quick search .... I took his use of Street Stock (note he capitalized it) to mean EXACTLY what he meant ... a NASCAR Street Stock engine ... not a "street" vehicle.
It see to me that you are questioning Vizard as he has some hidden agenda? Can you point to any other time that Vizard has hype a procduct for financial gain? Pure conjecture. SInce it seems hard to beleive waht about the other DYNO test on that site? Did you read those and see that some plugs were in the range of 2-3 HP and 3-5 TQ over a stock plug? Wait this was on a turbo 4 so I guess it means the test are worthless?
I said nothing about a hidden agenda ... what I was trying to point out that he is testing for NASCAR race engines ... his testing does not apply to a street driven Corvette with an electronic ignition.
As I said he said showed promise. Maybe worth trying? Can you show the dyno tests you have conducted regarding spark plugs? If you have some facts that we don't have please post it.
Bottom line is that there are some actual test showing that some plugs give more HP/TQ over a stock type plug. Unless there are other dyno test that refute these then how can you call BS?
Where did I call BS ???
I still by my NGK's but I may one day try one or two of these plugs to see if they work in my application.
But it's your engine ... put whatever plugs you want in it.
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Did not take it as a personal attack. Sorry if that is the way it sounded. Did not mean it that way.
I know the differences between Fi and carb ect. I see what you are saying about his test and the high RPM. Definately see that.
E3's may not be something to try on our motors but the other test from spark plugs looked like they showed some promise.
I know the differences between Fi and carb ect. I see what you are saying about his test and the high RPM. Definately see that.
E3's may not be something to try on our motors but the other test from spark plugs looked like they showed some promise.
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FWIW I just installed a set of the E3'S in my LS2 427 in my 01 Z06.
I make 500/500 give or take a few and I wanted to see if there was any real driveability or power differences. I put about 200 miles on the car last weekend after installing the plugs and I did notice a slight benefit in 3000 - 4000 rpm range but up top its hard to tell if there was any change. I plan to put a few hundred miles on the car this weekend and do a little (closed circuit 1320 racing) and then pull the plugs on Sunday and see how they look. I will put her on the dyno in 3 weeks and post back if there is any significant differences. ALSO I needed new plugs anyway and the MFG of the E3 plugs guaranteed a full refund if I was unhappy so I thought what the hell I give them a try.
Jason
I make 500/500 give or take a few and I wanted to see if there was any real driveability or power differences. I put about 200 miles on the car last weekend after installing the plugs and I did notice a slight benefit in 3000 - 4000 rpm range but up top its hard to tell if there was any change. I plan to put a few hundred miles on the car this weekend and do a little (closed circuit 1320 racing) and then pull the plugs on Sunday and see how they look. I will put her on the dyno in 3 weeks and post back if there is any significant differences. ALSO I needed new plugs anyway and the MFG of the E3 plugs guaranteed a full refund if I was unhappy so I thought what the hell I give them a try.
Jason
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Hey .... you think I'm joking about this stuff ....... I used to wear just a "cheap" tin foil hat ...... but thank you to the Internet I found the answer to the problem .......
http://www.zapatopi.net/afdb/
You folks are seriously deranged if you are not protecting yourself with products such as this .....
Sorry, I have to shut my PC down .... the feds are tracking me by my IP address .... just because I said that Bugs Bunny doesn't really exist, the feds have been all over my azz ....
http://www.zapatopi.net/afdb/
You folks are seriously deranged if you are not protecting yourself with products such as this .....
Sorry, I have to shut my PC down .... the feds are tracking me by my IP address .... just because I said that Bugs Bunny doesn't really exist, the feds have been all over my azz ....
That right there is some funny she!t, I don't care who you are !
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Well, looking at those and the Bosch +4, it seems to my engineering mind that there is quite a bit of "blocking" of the spark from the air/fuel mixture by all the electrodes sticking up and shrouding where the spark occurs. Whats the point of the extended tip plugs if your gonna cover up the tip?
Seems like we used to side gap plugs (trim the ground electrode back a bit) to improve the sparks access to the fuel, and it was documented to work very well, but wasn't a good long term thing due to excess wear at the center electrode.(sparking from just the side of the center electrode wore it unevenly). Give me quality, like the AC Iridium, or NGK Iridium, whatever, and in the proper heat range, and I'll go happily on my next 100K miles thank you.
Seems like we used to side gap plugs (trim the ground electrode back a bit) to improve the sparks access to the fuel, and it was documented to work very well, but wasn't a good long term thing due to excess wear at the center electrode.(sparking from just the side of the center electrode wore it unevenly). Give me quality, like the AC Iridium, or NGK Iridium, whatever, and in the proper heat range, and I'll go happily on my next 100K miles thank you.
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Hey .... you think I'm joking about this stuff ....... I used to wear just a "cheap" tin foil hat ...... but thank you to the Internet I found the answer to the problem .......
http://www.zapatopi.net/afdb/
You folks are seriously deranged if you are not protecting yourself with products such as this .....
http://www.zapatopi.net/afdb/
You folks are seriously deranged if you are not protecting yourself with products such as this .....
Don't you know, once you buy this, you're now on "The List". Big brother wouldn't allow a tin foil hat to be sold without incorporating a back door.
The only way to construct one, is to build it yourself. But you can't use modern Reynolds wrap, it's been bio re-engineered to allow the newest satellites to read your thoughts.
Sad thing is, there are plenty of people out there who believe this crap.
