anyone know where i can find a good step by step guide to a c5 starter replacement. thanks

 

Here's one from a service manual.


http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1978609

about 3 posts down.

 

I wouldn't take the exhaust pipe off though.I just bent some the metal part of under frame and the starter came out...

 

If you have lt's the passenger side header will need to be loosened up a lot or completely seperated to gain access to the starter and allow it to come out.

 

While you are in there, pick up a C6 oil pan and dip stick/tube, drop the crossmember, pull the friggin' C5 oil pan disaster, install the C6 oil pan (direct bolt-on), reinstall the crossmember and you can have all the room in the world for pulling starters, etc - unlike the C5 setup.

 

what is the advantage of using a c6 oil pan?

 

 

I thought the C5 pan was design specifically for the C5. Baffles and such so that there would be no issues in high g-force manuevers? Also, will the C6 pan protrude lower than the stock batwing design?

 

Great tip

 

well worth the extra time and money during a starter change

 

Why?

 

Because Jeanlucpicard said it will make your next starter change easier. All you have to do is drop the engine cradle, and buy a new c6 oil pan/dipstick. Converting to a C6 oil pan/dipstick for an additonal $350 when you just need to spend $260 on a starter makes perfect sense to me......... Right?

 

I think that he was hoping for something more than cryptic sarcasm!

 

Oops....sorry, I forgot this was a "no fun" zone.

The advantages, in the view of Jeanlucpicard, have already been stated. It's really hard for me to take some replies seriously, when the OP just wants to change a starter, and needs a procedure......and you get a reply like "while your in there, change the oil pan". LOL. Like you already have to drop the engine cradle anyway when changing a starter, so why not convert to a C6 oil pan while you're at it. Give me a break....

This type of advice makes perfect sense when related to a cam change. Makes perfect sense to do the oil pump & timing set "while you're in there" ...because..."you are in there".

To the OP, dropping the exhaust is a breeze... a whopping 6 nuts, and 8 bolts to remove.

 

We all like to have fun since we all have Vettes! Btw - your sarcasm was very well hidden until the last post. I agree that some get carried away with mods - "while you are in there". Believe we all have been guilty of that at some point! Jeanlucpicard made the suggestion and never explained the differences in the C6 vs. C5 oil pan completely. Yeah, he said it gives more space for future starter changes but unless you have seen both would not understand the details. Maybe there are other advantages or disadvantages. I believe that is what he was looking for.

 

Not meaning to disrespect senior members and respecting the fun zone issue

Having only just recently learned that the starter on a C5 is a problem area and gotten a new one under major guard after installing a custom LED over the S terminal to ground to conclusively indict the starter (as opposed to ignition switch, BCM, anti-theft relay, clutch switch....) solving a 2-4 year intermittent no start problem with a custom electrical mod.....

If I remove only 6 bolts but 8 nuts, havn't I done something wrong? Every bolt has a nut, right? Guys, you have to be more specific.

I am so confused. Senior members are supposed to be like TA's in college, they are supposed to help us. When I took auto shop in HS, Gerald Ford was the president of this great land and starters came in 3 parts, relay, solenoid and moter. Who was the nimrod who decided to integrate them, effectively putting the relay by the exhaust pipe? (Using the 5 volt, low amp circuit to energize the solenoid is what I'm trying to say, I know all about where the anti-theft relay is but it's not really a major failure point. ) You Can't back-probe anything short of the starter in the circuit, it will throw a BCM code. That engineer who designed this is right up there with the first engineer who thought of using plastic clips in compression on household products, but I digress.

The C5 no-click/no-start diagnostic in the manual is.... no I can't say what I really think! This is not an age-restricted board. But I will say, Tolkein couldn't have done a better work of fiction.

Next time one of you guys does a starter job, take pictures and email me so I don't miss it! And yes next time I do mine, off comes the oil pan. (if I remember). Major guard is over, next time is on my own dime.

Thanks for your willingness to help,
Eric

 

So every time you have removed a bolt from something, there has to be an nut behind it? What about a nut plate, or a threaded hole?

[/QUOTE]I are so confused. Senior members are like TA's in college, they are supposed to help us. [/QUOTE]

It is not my responsibility to spoon feed you information on your car. Just like in college, it is YOUR responsibility to obtain the proper textbook for the class. Additionally, you have to read the text in order to be prepared for the lecture. Finally, if you have the text, read the text, and attended the class.....and still don't understand....then someone with more experience will help you. I'll step right up to the plate, but it is positively ridiculous the way some members tear apart their C5's running back and fourth to the computer. If you want to work on your car, buy the manual. Read and learn. Find something you don't understand in the manual, and there is plenty of help to clarify questions within this forum. I'll help anyone, but I'm not going to do the work for them just because they are too lazy to open up a book and read.

 

You said that perfectly. I agree. I'm a newbie myself but I respect those words. Good luck with your starter. I'm in the same boat

 

Well said!
Sounded like a politician going off to me. Or maybe a drunk philosopher.

 

Bingo! I replaced my starter a couple of years ago (I dropped the exhaust) so I was wondering if there where other advantages to installing a C6 oil pan. That said, my Vette did not start when I was leaving a client's office on Tuesday. I took the battery to the store where I purchased it to have them run a load test; I had a bad cell so they replaced it for free. I thought all was good but last night it took a couple of tries to get her to start so I may have a bad connection or need a new starter. If I have to replace the starter every couple of years that I can see the benefit of a C6 oil pan if only it makes R&R the starter easier but I thought there might be some other benefits to installing a C6 pan and that is why I asked "why".