What is included with a GM Long Block and Short Block (i.e. flywheel, harmonic balancer, pulleys, plugs, wires etc.).

Thanks!

 

All that stuff usually only comes with a complete (Crate) engine. Short block is usually block with oil pan, rotating assembly, pulley, and camshaft. Long block adds with heads and possibly a water pump. The GMPP catalog shows both short and long blocks as "partial engines" and long blocks and complete engines with accessories and wiring as "Crate engines." Clear as mud, Huh?

 

Is there maybe an online resource that shows the GM offerings with accessories listed?

 

Yes there are several.

Scoggin Dickey
http://www.sdpc2000.com Look under GM Performance or Create motors

The GM Performance sites are ok but not very good.

Scoggin Dickey is one of the largest GM Proformance parts seller in the country

Scoggin Dicky Part Center
5901 Spur 327
Lubbock, TX 79424

 

Gm has a new web site that is pretty similar to their catalog.

www.gmperformanceparts.com

 

Thanks for the links - checking them out now!

 

Still having trouble locating exactly what I am looking for?

The Dealership says that they have an LS-1 LONG BLOCK coming (that includes the heads) - as opposed to a short block. They said a "LONG" block IS NOT a "complete" engine however. So what does it come with and what will need to be transferred over from my old engine? (i.e. what is the difference between a long block and a complete engine)?

The Dealership says they do not know for sure what will be included with the long block (which they claim is $4800) as it just depends on the car, configuration, engine model, etc. as to what is included. I am seeing "complete" LS-1's selling new for about that price? So, is their really such a thing as a NEW REPLACEMENT LS-1 LONG BLOCK (as opposed to a complete crate engine)?

 

Long block has:

Block
Rotating assembly, ( pistons, and crach shaft)
Heads with valves, springs and cam shaft, timing chain, gaskets


You will still need

Intake manafold, TB, oil pain, oil pump, water pump

Fuel injectors, fuel lines,


Forget the long block. Get a FULL create motor.

Changing your currnet parts to the long block will cost you more in labor then a whole new Create engine.

and get an LS2 create engine. Just have the cam sensor changed and the 24 tooth reluctor wheel.

Sounds like you might need a better shop to do your work

Give Scoggin Dickey a call. or better yet take a drive up to Lubbock

 

I definitely would do an LS2 Crate Engine if it were up to me. Unfortunately, the dealership is replacing the engine at their expense under my GM Extended Warranty - so I don't have much choice.

But they say they have a "long" block coming from Lubbock for $4800. But now I am wondering if it is not actually an LS1 Crate Engine coming instead (based upon the price they show)? Wonder what the price difference is between a "long" block and a crate engine?

 

Do a little research on the Scoggin Dickey web site or just give them a call. Then offer to pay your dealer the difference. Better hurry and do it before it's shipped.

 

Too late - they went ahead and had it shipped before they even confirmed it would be covered. Getting specific information out of the dealership is near impossible and the Service Advisor I was working with was fired last Friday so if I get anything at this point it is a miracle. I certainly cannot complain since they are covering EVERYTHING under warranty (especially if they are indeed replacing with a new partial/whole engine at 39,000 miles)! I am not going hot rodding so the LS1 is plenty for my DD. Just wish I could figure out what they actually have coming! The only four pieces of information they have released to me are:

(1) New assembly (vs used or rebuilt)
(2) Long Block (whatever that really means)
(3) $4,800 cost for just the engine they ordered from somewhere in Lubbock (at least that is the price the adjuster approved and what they had written down for the engine portion).
(4) They are expecting the total cost of this warranty repair/visit to be between $10,000 - $12,000 total (less my $100 deductible).

I am just wondering if they did not order an entire crate engine vs just a long block for that price (wonder if THEY know the difference)? Also wonder what year LS1 build it will be (2001?, 2004?). Guess I will just have to wait until next week to see what arrives?

 

Bet you they orded it from Scoggin

and also guess it is an LS6 long block, not an LS1.

 

That would be a cool deal!

 

If they are getting it from Lubbock. And its coming from S.D. and its 4800 like you said. Its the complete LS1 crate motor. Same motor used in the 2004 GTO. Little more power than the Vette LS1. Comes complete. Pull the old one out drop the new one in. Also why do you need a new motor at 39,000 miles? I have 98,000 on mine and it still dosnt even burn no oil and its a 97 at that............

 

Interesting... what is the power difference? Aren't the oil pans, etc. different on a GTO and C5? According to this (http://www.ls1gto.com/media/artwork/holden_1_4_03.pdf) the 2004 GTO had 10 HP Less?

Starter motor exploded last week and broke both the starter motor flange and the block. Only solution was a new motor - nothing to bolt a replacement starter motor to!

 

Power diffrence isnt alot, 5 hp and 5 tq. If the pans are different thell just use yours...... The thing thats good is it is a 2004 motor so it should have the LS6 manifold.....

 

Yup

http://www.sdpc2000.com/product/1780...reHarness.aspx

"This is the 2004 LS1 production engine that is used in the new 2004 Pontiac GTO. It produces 350 horsepower and 365 ft./lbs of torque, which makes it a great engine for just about any performance vehicle. This crate engine comes less ECM and Wire Harness but does come with block, crank, rods, pistons, cam, aluminum cylinder heads, water pump, intake manifold, injectors, cable throttle body, exhaust manifolds, balancer and flexplate."

 

I called Scoggin and from all I could find out, they said it was most likely just a "long" block replacement they ordered. He said that was the "standard" order under a dealership warranty replacement. So he said they would reuse most of my parts such as intake, TB, exhaust manifolds, etc. I don't actually see an LS1 Long Block listed on their site so I guess I will just have to wait to see what shows up.

 

Looks like the engine is already at the Dealership. I saw it in the crate this afternoon. Looks like a LONG BLOCK only (from Scoggin Dickey in Lubbock).

The Part Number is 89017548 - cost on invoice to dealership shows $3872.22. Looking at the SD Site, I cannot tell if this is a NEW or REMANUFACTURED unit??

From what I could see it had the block, heads, water pump, harmonic balancer and maybe an oil pan. They are starting work tomorrow.

 

looks like re manufactured

http://www.sdpc2000.com/product/8901...tiacFYLS1.aspx


Dont worry about it, it is good as new. Look how many times many guys rebuild their engines.