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Old Mar 12, 2009 | 10:31 PM
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I have a 99 FRC, 40,000 miles bolt ons, DTE stg 2 rea diff, and now its time for a clutch still deciding between a spec 3+ and a tex 0z700, but while everything is out IS IT NECESSARY TO BUILD THE TRANSMISSION, i would really rather spend the money for a cam upgrade but if there is a big enough risk, as in a few more months will kill the stock tranny i wont. Car is a wkend driver, drag race 25-40 runs a year on a MT et street radial no pwershifts and no launching by sidestepping the clutch, any opinions or first hand experience is greatly appreciated.
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Old Mar 12, 2009 | 11:16 PM
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I'm facing the trans problem myself. The real issue is the paper blocker rings used in the 97-00 transmissions. They wear out and render the synchro ineffective. It usually starts with the 1-2 synchro first. If I were you I'd pick up a used, low mileage trans from 2001-2006. Any will bolt right in. I've seen them go for $500-$1000 in the parts section here and on that auction site. Best of luck.
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I'm facing the trans problem myself. The real issue is the paper blocker rings used in the 97-00 transmissions. They wear out and render the synchro ineffective. It usually starts with the 1-2 synchro first. If I were you I'd pick up a used, low mileage trans from 2001-2006. Any will bolt right in. I've seen them go for $500-$1000 in the parts section here and on that auction site. Best of luck.
Why on earth would you replace a perfectly good transmission? First off, 05-06 transmissions will not fit, unless it is out of an 05 NON Z51 CAR ONLY. Second, the gear ratios in the Z06 transmission are perfect with the stock 3.42 rears, but if he has 3.73s or 4.10s they are going to be too much if he does any serious modding. Third, who is to say that the used trans you buy will not have worn parts? I would pull yours and send it to RPM, or buy one and send yours back as a core. No need to go nuts, just upgrade the synchros and the 3-4 shift fork, and have them look at everything else just in case.
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Old Mar 13, 2009 | 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike94ZLT1

First off, 05-06 transmissions will not fit, unless it is out of an 05 NON Z51 CAR ONLY.
Why won't the Z51 fit if you replace the transmission along with the blank section between the tranny and the diff? That way you pick up the tranny cooler if you change the radiator.

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Originally Posted by Mike94ZLT1
Why on earth would you replace a perfectly good transmission? First off, 05-06 transmissions will not fit, unless it is out of an 05 NON Z51 CAR ONLY. Second, the gear ratios in the Z06 transmission are perfect with the stock 3.42 rears, but if he has 3.73s or 4.10s they are going to be too much if he does any serious modding. Third, who is to say that the used trans you buy will not have worn parts? I would pull yours and send it to RPM, or buy one and send yours back as a core. No need to go nuts, just upgrade the synchros and the 3-4 shift fork, and have them look at everything else just in case.
As for using a used transmission, sure it's possible to get a bad one, just as it is with a new or rebuilt one. But if it's 01+ it has the carbon blocker rings instead of the paper rings which are the weak point. These transmissions have a great reputation for going 100k plus miles so if you get a low mileage one I'd say the risk is minimal. The OP made no mention of rear gear ratio. 3.73 or 4.10 gear set will be too much with Z51, M12 or MM6 transmissions if the OP does "serious" modding, ie supercharging. The OP made no mention of gear sets so I didn't think it necessary to bring in the subject.

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Originally Posted by Bill Dearborn
Why won't the Z51 fit if you replace the transmission along with the blank section between the tranny and the diff? That way you pick up the tranny cooler if you change the radiator.

Bill
I agree, the Z51 trans certainly will fit with a little grinding on the torque tube to allow clearance for the oil pump. Then you can run a line to the rear of the trans or plumb in a cooler. This came from Rodney at RPM about a week ago, when I was researching transmissions

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Why won't the Z51 fit if you replace the transmission along with the blank section between the tranny and the diff? That way you pick up the tranny cooler if you change the radiator.

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Doesn't this also require replacing the rear K-member and lower control arms?
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Doesn't this also require replacing the rear K-member and lower control arms?
Not according to Rodney.
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Originally Posted by evo2ls1
I have a 99 FRC, 40,000 miles bolt ons, DTE stg 2 rea diff, and now its time for a clutch still deciding between a spec 3+ and a tex 0z700, but while everything is out IS IT NECESSARY TO BUILD THE TRANSMISSION, i would really rather spend the money for a cam upgrade but if there is a big enough risk, as in a few more months will kill the stock tranny i wont. Car is a wkend driver, drag race 25-40 runs a year on a MT et street radial no pwershifts and no launching by sidestepping the clutch, any opinions or first hand experience is greatly appreciated.
^^You are going to get a range of answers to your question. I suggest you look up posts by a member called "Ranger". He has a lot of experience and a lot to say about this issue. The key to avoiding transmission/differential problems is to avoid wheel hop. If you can do that you should be able to last, although everything wears out with use.
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Thanks for all the replies, after doing some more research by some the mentioned names above, i believe i will be fine with the stock tranny for a while as long as i control some of the variation at the track. Now i have to decide which clutch i was leaning toward the SPEC 3 + but after talking with guys at Vengence Racing i am leaning toward the Tex 0Z700...
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