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Old May 18, 2009 | 06:29 PM
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Quicksilver Vert 01 recently sent me a failed C5 A. I. R. System Check Valve so that I could figure out how and why it failed. So, I used a bench grinder to carefully grind off the pinch joint and disassembled the valve for an AUTOPSY.

Here is what you will find inside the valve once you crack it open:





I ground off the small rivet that holds the diaphragm disk together and disassembled the diaphragm assembly:



This check valve failed not because it was stuck shut but because it failed to flow the correct amount of air. It was difficult to blow through it.

This is the reason why:



The heat and exhaust by-products causes the synthetic disk to thicken and get harder than a new pliable disk.

So,,,when you having A.I R. System DTCs the cause of the failure could be a stuck shut disk OR one that flows LESS than the required air flow like this check valve.

Hope this helps someone.

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Old May 18, 2009 | 06:51 PM
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Great info Bill

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Old May 18, 2009 | 07:22 PM
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Amazing WD40 even does anything for this problem.
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Old May 18, 2009 | 09:12 PM
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Bill, I'll add a little more, ok? When I opened mine up a few months ago I found this diaphram spring broken in 3 or 4 pieces.
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Thanks for keeping things in check Bill.
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Old May 19, 2009 | 08:28 AM
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This finally makes a lot of sense Bill! The cleaning and WD-40 treatments, would only keep it working for 2 or 3 weeks at a time last year. Apparently, the synthetic disk would soon get dry and hard again after each spraying.

I used a Standard Motor Products #AV7 check valve as a replacement for the failed one. It's supposed to be their premium grade. We'll see how this one holds up.

Thanks for posting a great write-up Bill.
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What is interesting is that my OEM valve lasted over 5 years and the second one, only 2.5 years. The difference may be that I don't go on as many high-speed runs. That was also the guess presented by the mechanic at the dealership - not enough driving at higher speeds.

If the diaphram is indeed silicone, it would surprise me that it would become hard, as most silicone material is very heat and chemical resistant. The main problem with experimenting with more durable components is that it would be such a pain to swap them in and out. Who wants to remove an intake every couple of days? I think there needs to be a completely different type of check valve, but without an engine dyno, what can you do?
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Interesting. I have had the AIR check valves fail on my father's truck and my old Camaro before too. I always assumed they just got carboned up over time and got stuck.

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Originally Posted by Dave68
If the diaphram is indeed silicone, it would surprise me that it would become hard, as most silicone material is very heat and chemical resistant.
That would be my first thought too Dave. But as Bill discovered, the diaphragm in my original Bank 2 valve definately become hard, and lost it's resiliency.

What do you all think about perhaps shooting some silicone spray through the check valve, as a periodic preventative measure, to help keep the diaphragm supple?

You could easily spray some silicone into the A.I.R. tubing, and then use compressed air to force it into the check valve.
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When the behind the intake valve is replaced MOVE IT to a easily reachable location like the other one is. Just buy some new tubing and bend it as needed and dont route it back behind there where it was and go through the same crap having to replace it ever again. I dont know what GM tech had his head up his butt when they designed it back there impossible to get to.
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Examining the rubber disk,,,,it sure doesnt feel like silicone rubber. If I had to put my finger on exactly what it was, the way it feels, stretches and bends,,,,I would almost say it was natural rubber.

Man, if it is just plain rubber,,,,GM had to know that that that that check valve was a cash cow!

Its probably some chemically enhanced rubber product that can witstand the conditions that its subjected to. It's NOT high quality silicone rubber.

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Great write up
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Originally Posted by Bill Curlee
Examining the rubber disk,,,,it sure doesnt feel like silicone rubber.
It's NOT high quality silicone rubber.
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Since it's a rubber compound, I'm going to spray some silicone into the new valve on a regular basis.

At the end of the driving season each year, and just before winter storage, I'll give it a silicone spray treatment. It sure can't hurt to try it.
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Originally Posted by Bill Curlee
Examining the rubber disk,,,,it sure doesnt feel like silicone rubber. If I had to put my finger on exactly what it was, the way it feels, stretches and bends,,,,I would almost say it was natural rubber.

Man, if it is just plain rubber,,,,GM had to know that that that that check valve was a cash cow!

Its probably some chemically enhanced rubber product that can witstand the conditions that its subjected to. It's NOT high quality silicone rubber.

BC
Buna-N and Nitrile are highly resistant to petroleum-based oils, so that would be my guess as to what type of elastomer it is. Unfortunately, carbon/particulate resistance is another matter.

Since it's a rubber compound, I'm going to spray some silicone into the new valve on a regular basis.

At the end of the driving season each year, and just before winter storage, I'll give it a silicone spray treatment. It sure can't hurt to try it.
That may be a good idea, Quicksilver, as silicones are relatively passive when it comes to reactivity. I did find out that petroleum-based lubricants are harmfull to the catalytic converters, so I'd avoid using anything like that on a regular basis.

Ideally, this check valve should be completely redesigned or designed with silicone or Viton.
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Originally Posted by Dave68
Ideally, this check valve should be completely redesigned or designed with silicone or Viton.

At least for the aftermarket replacements.
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Hey guys, great info for a pia problem! Glad that mine is holding up since early last winter with the WD40 trick. I like the replace and relocate suggestion.
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