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Old Aug 8, 2009 | 02:38 AM
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The Active Handling light comes on and the AH codes are thrown whenever I use the 4-way flashers. Any ideas on where to look for a connection between the two circuits?

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Old Aug 8, 2009 | 12:11 PM
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WHAT DTCs???? Please post them.

Flashers and EBTCM....the only connection between the two is 12 VDC and Chassis grounds.

Either the voltage fluctuation on the B+ (12 VDC) circuit is compromised OR the ground for one or both of the circuits is compromised.

How are you reading the DTCs??

This way:

READING YOUR Engine Diagnostic Codes (DTCs)

The Diagnostic Display Mode is entered with the following procedure:
1) Turn on the ignition but don't start the engine.
2) Press the RESET button to turn off any warning messages. (i.e. door open, trunk open etc…)
3) Press and hold OPTIONS
4) While holding OPTIONS, press FUEL four times within a 10-second period.

Initially, on-board diagnostics go into an Automatic Mode which shows diagnostic codes in a pre-set sequence: PCM - TCS - RTD - BCM - IPC - RADIO - HVAC - LDCM - RDCM - SCM - RFA. All codes will be displayed for each. ( i.e. PCM = 4 codes)
If none are present in a given module, you will see No More Codes on the display.
There are two kinds of diagnostic codes, Current and History designated with a letter suffix, C or ;H. A current code indicates a malfunction is present in the module displaying data. A history code indicates a problem existed sometime in the last 40 or 50 ignition cycles. When not accompanied by a current code of the same number, it's potential evidence of a previous problem, now resolved, that was not removed by clearing the codes.
More likely it's an indication of an intermittent malfunction.
Intermittent codes are the most challenging of the diagnostics. An intermittent code may have happened once, may have happened more than once but is inconsistent or may be happening on a regular basis but not at the time the codes are displayed. History codes can also be caused by a current malfunction in a system that is not operating at the time codes are displayed. An example is the rear window defogger which doesn't operate until the Body Control Module detects engine rpm. For history codes set by a module that does not operate with the key on and engine off, a special diagnostic tool called a Scan Tester is necessary to properly diagnose the malfunction.
Once the system has displayed all modules, it goes into the manual mode which allows selection of each module using combinations of Driver Information Center buttons. Manual mode can also be entered during the automatic sequence by pressing any button except E/M. Once the display shows Manual Diagnostics, select a module by pressing the OPTIONS button to go forward or the TRIP button to go back. Once a module is selected, a code is displayed, and if more than one are present;
press GAGES to go forward or FUEL to go back.
To exit the diagnostic mode at any time, press E/M. If you want to erase codes in a given module, press RESET
To reset the codes once in manual mode, press and hold RESET until it displays NO CODES Press OPTIONS to go to the next module. Repeat the steps until you have reset the codes in all the computer modules.
NOTE!! Only reset the codes IF you want to - it is NOT necessary to do this. Clearing a code does not repair a problem. You are simply erasing the evidence of it in the module's memory. If you clear the code/s, and extinguish the Check Engine Light, your emissions status ready will NOT allow you to pass an emissions test until you have completed the required driving cycles.
Once you have the codes, the next question is: What to do with the information?
First, consult the factory service manual. Any serious C5 Do-It-Yourself owner should invest in the Corvette Service Manual of the appropriate model year. The Service Manual is really a requirement if you want to understand and work on your C5.

Here is very good site of DTC definitions:


http://www.gearchatter.com


Make sure to include the H or C suffix!!







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Old Aug 8, 2009 | 12:15 PM
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That's a new one. Sure haven't heard of that before this. Bill is best at this and I'll be watching to see what the resolution was.
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Old Aug 10, 2009 | 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill Curlee
WHAT DTCs???? Please post them.

Flashers and EBTCM....the only connection between the two is 12 VDC and Chassis grounds.

Either the voltage fluctuation on the B+ (12 VDC) circuit is compromised OR the ground for one or both of the circuits is compromised.

(More...)

Bill C
Bill,

Thanks for the guidance. Here's what I found:
28 TCS - C1295H; Brake Lamp Switch Circuit Open
60 IPC - U1160H; Loss of Serial Communications for Class 2 Devices

Unless the 4-way flasher switch is somehow causing the trouble, I can't see the relationship between these error codes and the active handling warning that shows on the DIC when I turn off the flashers. By the way, the car is stationary when this happens - haven't tried it when the car is moving.

The ground connections are clean and making good contact. Battery voltage is between 13.5 volts with headlights/fog lights and ignition on and engine running and 14.5 volts with nothing but ignition on and engine running.

Any ideas?

Rocky (ZoomFast/Lectron Blu)
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Old Aug 10, 2009 | 11:22 PM
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Heres a post you need to check out!!! Go DIECTLY to post# 64 and take some reading in the ignition ON position. If its different, theres the issue.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c5-t...ch-repair.html

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