C5 Tech Corvette Tech/Performance: LS1 Corvette Technical Info, Internal Engine, External Engine, Tech Topics, Basic Tech, Maintenance, How to Remove & Replace
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Head & Cam on my 1999 1st day

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 01-17-2010, 11:32 PM
  #21  
Pete W
Burning Brakes
 
Pete W's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2009
Location: Andreas Pennsylvania
Posts: 870
Received 7 Likes on 7 Posts

Default

I am very interested in this. I have a cam in my car already and looking to put a set of heads and intake on the car this year. Nice work so far. Keep up the good work!
Old 01-18-2010, 07:07 AM
  #22  
vettenuts
Team Owner
 
vettenuts's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 1999
Location: At the beach in little Rhody
Posts: 22,024
Received 186 Likes on 169 Posts

Default

Stuff some clean rags in the lifter areas. I found it very easy for little pieces to drop into the oil gallery for the lifters and think this is a reason so many end up with noisy lifters. Good luck with the remainder of the work.

PS: I found out about the stock castings the hard way as well, my hands were a mess for a couple of weeks.
Old 01-18-2010, 09:32 AM
  #23  
deadcafe
Burning Brakes
 
deadcafe's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2009
Location: Virginia Beach Virginia
Posts: 816
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Blown 346
Just remember to replace the crank bolt as it is torque to yeild and has to be replaced. ARP would be a good choice. Same goes for headbolts.
HELL YEAH!!!! Thats a wicked important note to pay attention to. The gu that did my Heads and Cam re-used the stock bolt. well about 10,000 miles into it she started throwing belts and upon cloaser inspection I saw the pulley was backing out. so another 5 hours and I added a better Pulley with the 28 dollar ARP crank bolt. heated the pulley up to 275 degrees for about 35 to 40 min in the BBQ pulled it off unwrapped the tin foil and placed it on the crank end only about 3 min of tourquing the bolt down got me to 240lbs tq. Made the job very simple.
Old 01-18-2010, 02:39 PM
  #24  
printmanjackson
Safety Car
 
printmanjackson's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 2005
Location: Jackson Tn
Posts: 3,564
Received 7 Likes on 5 Posts
St. Jude Donor '06-'07-'08-'09

Default

Originally Posted by deadcafe
HELL YEAH!!!! Thats a wicked important note to pay attention to. The gu that did my Heads and Cam re-used the stock bolt. well about 10,000 miles into it she started throwing belts and upon cloaser inspection I saw the pulley was backing out. so another 5 hours and I added a better Pulley with the 28 dollar ARP crank bolt. heated the pulley up to 275 degrees for about 35 to 40 min in the BBQ pulled it off unwrapped the tin foil and placed it on the crank end only about 3 min of tourquing the bolt down got me to 240lbs tq. Made the job very simple.
I would be conserned that heating would damage the seal. I don't remember that procedure in the manual.
Old 01-18-2010, 03:24 PM
  #25  
chaase
Team Owner
 
chaase's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 2003
Location: East Meadow NY
Posts: 23,461
Received 6 Likes on 6 Posts
St. Jude Donor '12

Default

Originally Posted by ILM-Express
Ok the last dyno my 99 A4 showed 318 RWHP with these mods
12.8@109 at track with Firestone Wide-Ovals


180 thermo
1.8 crane quick lift gold
B&B shorties
Diablo-Sport Predator
Blackwing + Power Duct
BBK 80mm TB
LS6 Intake manifold
Corsa Catback

Putting In

Replacing 853 heads with CNC 243 by Advanced Induction, Concord, NC
Comp Cams XR265HR-14 Duration 212/218 LS 114 Lift .522.529
(Lift with my 1.8 should be about .532/.539)
New oil pump
LS2 timing chain
LS7 lifters

Expecting ?

What I'm looking for. A very street drivable A4 with more power than a Stock C5 Z06.
I would have gone with a more aggressive cam than that, but otherwise the list is good. I assume there are new springs in the heads?
Old 01-18-2010, 03:36 PM
  #26  
deadcafe
Burning Brakes
 
deadcafe's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2009
Location: Virginia Beach Virginia
Posts: 816
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by printmanjackson
I would be conserned that heating would damage the seal. I don't remember that procedure in the manual.
Summit Underdrive pulley No seal. It is one solid piece. Obviously if you are working with a balancer with a glue joint I would definetly look into the elbow grease method. But if it is the front seal you are talking about then there are no issues and as a matter of fact I am pretty sure that with some of your softest rubber compounds (like your cell phone key pad) that hold normal temperature ratings up to 250 degrees C. That 275 Degrees F will not damage the more rugged EDMP rubber used in automotive grade seals, bushings and gaskets. It worked without fail for me no funny smell after it was in place and no burnt front seal.
Old 01-18-2010, 03:38 PM
  #27  
Pro Street
Burning Brakes
 
Pro Street's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2005
Location: Booker Texas
Posts: 1,123
Received 14 Likes on 12 Posts

Default

The instructions with the summit UD pulley says to heat it before installing.
Old 01-18-2010, 03:41 PM
  #28  
deadcafe
Burning Brakes
 
deadcafe's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2009
Location: Virginia Beach Virginia
Posts: 816
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by ILM-Express
Ok the last dyno my 99 A4 showed 318 RWHP with these mods
12.8@109 at track with Firestone Wide-Ovals


180 thermo
1.8 crane quick lift gold
B&B shorties
Diablo-Sport Predator
Blackwing + Power Duct
BBK 80mm TB
LS6 Intake manifold
Corsa Catback

Putting In

Replacing 853 heads with CNC 243 by Advanced Induction, Concord, NC
Comp Cams XR265HR-14 Duration 212/218 LS 114 Lift .522.529
(Lift with my 1.8 should be about .532/.539)
New oil pump
LS2 timing chain
LS7 lifters

Expecting ?

What I'm looking for. A very street drivable A4 with more power than a Stock C5 Z06.
The 1.8 rocker arms are going to give you more than that for an end result lift. I have a 233-239 .595/.604 lift cam with 1.7 rocker arms. were I to go to the 1.8 I would have a .630-.640 lift. So you are actually looking at about .560-.572 lift (roughly). Honestly I would go with a more agressive cam were I you.
Old 01-18-2010, 04:00 PM
  #29  
Bill Curlee
Tech Contributor

Support Corvetteforum!
 
Bill Curlee's Avatar
 
Member Since: Dec 1999
Location: Anthony TX
Posts: 32,736
Received 2,180 Likes on 1,583 Posts
CI 6,7,8,9,11 Vet
St. Jude Donor '08

Default

WARNING!!!!!!! Make SURE that each head bolt hole in the block is DRY. If theres any fluid in the hole, when you torque them in place, the fluid will crack the block!!!!!!!!!!!

I used an air chuck with a long aluminum tube that fit down into each hole. You would NOT believe all the crap that comes out.

Use a good light to look into each hole and if you cant see the bottom of the hole, its NOT clean.

The top row of head bolts is a different torque than the rest of them.

BC
Old 01-18-2010, 06:08 PM
  #30  
ILM-Express
MFIC
Support Corvetteforum!
Thread Starter
 
ILM-Express's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2005
Location: Charlotte, North Carolina
Posts: 1,995
Received 8 Likes on 3 Posts

Default

My plans are for no change on stall converter, so this cam will be as high as I would go.

And no fly cutting of pistons



Originally Posted by deadcafe
The 1.8 rocker arms are going to give you more than that for an end result lift. I have a 233-239 .595/.604 lift cam with 1.7 rocker arms. were I to go to the 1.8 I would have a .630-.640 lift. So you are actually looking at about .560-.572 lift (roughly). Honestly I would go with a more agressive cam were I you.
Old 01-18-2010, 06:09 PM
  #31  
ILM-Express
MFIC
Support Corvetteforum!
Thread Starter
 
ILM-Express's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2005
Location: Charlotte, North Carolina
Posts: 1,995
Received 8 Likes on 3 Posts

Default

I know about the water in the holes


Originally Posted by Bill Curlee
WARNING!!!!!!! Make SURE that each head bolt hole in the block is DRY. If theres any fluid in the hole, when you torque them in place, the fluid will crack the block!!!!!!!!!!!

I used an air chuck with a long aluminum tube that fit down into each hole. You would NOT believe all the crap that comes out.

Use a good light to look into each hole and if you cant see the bottom of the hole, its NOT clean.

The top row of head bolts is a different torque than the rest of them.

BC
Old 01-18-2010, 06:10 PM
  #32  
ILM-Express
MFIC
Support Corvetteforum!
Thread Starter
 
ILM-Express's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2005
Location: Charlotte, North Carolina
Posts: 1,995
Received 8 Likes on 3 Posts

Default

Oh yeah PSI Maxlife springs (good for way over .600 lift)


Originally Posted by chaase
I would have gone with a more aggressive cam than that, but otherwise the list is good. I assume there are new springs in the heads?
Old 01-18-2010, 06:13 PM
  #33  
ILM-Express
MFIC
Support Corvetteforum!
Thread Starter
 
ILM-Express's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2005
Location: Charlotte, North Carolina
Posts: 1,995
Received 8 Likes on 3 Posts

Default

I made a mistake on the numbers. according to Crane

Comp Cams XR265HR-14 Duration 212/218 LS 114 Lift .522.529
(Lift with my 1.8 should be about .552/.559)



Originally Posted by deadcafe
The 1.8 rocker arms are going to give you more than that for an end result lift. I have a 233-239 .595/.604 lift cam with 1.7 rocker arms. were I to go to the 1.8 I would have a .630-.640 lift. So you are actually looking at about .560-.572 lift (roughly). Honestly I would go with a more agressive cam were I you.
Old 01-18-2010, 11:11 PM
  #34  
ILM-Express
MFIC
Support Corvetteforum!
Thread Starter
 
ILM-Express's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2005
Location: Charlotte, North Carolina
Posts: 1,995
Received 8 Likes on 3 Posts

Default 3rd day - little work tonight

Tonight I only removed the the posts and pushrod guides of the 853 heads, cleaned them and left them dry for tommorow with a bit of locktite get installed on the 243's



Look at the intake ports wow !



The exhaust port are very nice too !



853 heads are out of the way now !
Old 01-18-2010, 11:16 PM
  #35  
ILM-Express
MFIC
Support Corvetteforum!
Thread Starter
 
ILM-Express's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2005
Location: Charlotte, North Carolina
Posts: 1,995
Received 8 Likes on 3 Posts

Default

Oh yes, fingers are feeling a lot better. :o

Still bandaged but almost no pain.
Old 01-19-2010, 12:25 AM
  #36  
Bill Curlee
Tech Contributor

Support Corvetteforum!
 
Bill Curlee's Avatar
 
Member Since: Dec 1999
Location: Anthony TX
Posts: 32,736
Received 2,180 Likes on 1,583 Posts
CI 6,7,8,9,11 Vet
St. Jude Donor '08

Default

When I installed my Patroit Stage II heads, I de-bured all the sharp edges off of them and removed a lot of the cast flashing. The area around each sparkplug hole was like a razor blade

Now there nice and smooth and easy on the fingers.
Old 01-19-2010, 07:53 AM
  #37  
printmanjackson
Safety Car
 
printmanjackson's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 2005
Location: Jackson Tn
Posts: 3,564
Received 7 Likes on 5 Posts
St. Jude Donor '06-'07-'08-'09

Default

looks good! are the heads milled for more compression?

Last edited by printmanjackson; 01-19-2010 at 12:55 PM.

Get notified of new replies

To Head & Cam on my 1999 1st day

Old 01-19-2010, 08:37 AM
  #38  
Casem1
Burning Brakes
 
Casem1's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2004
Location: Derry NH
Posts: 837
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

Originally Posted by ILM-Express
Oh yes, fingers are feeling a lot better. :o

Still bandaged but almost no pain.

Just an FYI: I found that my new heads were even more of a hazard. As I was tightening head bolts I would look down and see new blood... The heads cut so cleanly that I never even felt the skin being cut away!

As a stubborn wrench turner, I pressed forward without gloves and continued to remove more skin...
Old 01-19-2010, 09:18 AM
  #39  
Fast Cop
Melting Slicks
 
Fast Cop's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2006
Location: Columbia SC
Posts: 2,938
Received 61 Likes on 47 Posts

Default

Great thread. Heads and cam are my next project so I am following this with interest.
Old 01-19-2010, 11:31 AM
  #40  
1320n12
Instructor
 
1320n12's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jan 2010
Location: Dover Oh
Posts: 192
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Very good info,its nice to know what your getting into doing a h/c swap


Quick Reply: Head & Cam on my 1999 1st day



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:45 AM.