Cold air Intake???
Melting Slicks
Joined: Sep 2005
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From: Near Charlotte NC
Lot's of opinions....no one knows what is truly best since we all have diff levels of mods.
I run the VR w/Power Duct on my 02Z.To straighten out this increased air flow and to avoid the dreaded lean codes,I also put in the Halltech Honeycomb MAF screen.
No lean codes and runs great.
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Carolina
I run the VR w/Power Duct on my 02Z.To straighten out this increased air flow and to avoid the dreaded lean codes,I also put in the Halltech Honeycomb MAF screen.
No lean codes and runs great.
\db2
Carolina
Drifting
Joined: Jun 2009
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From: Chester Springs PA
I did something a bit different. Instead of isolating the cold intake air from the engine bay, I direct it (via polycarbonate scoop) through a stainless steel mesh screen and into and around my Halltech warhead filter. The engine draws in cold air and my engine bay stays cool, which also assists my catch can in trapping water along with oil.
Team Owner
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From: Bonita Springs, Florida
ok after reading all this, i will probably go with the black wing
i only have couple of more questions
1; how hard is blackwing to install?
2: CAI,more specifically the blackwing do any damage to my engine or anything else?
3: and like you said in warmer weather it will cause me to lose HP but do i still get better mileage in the city or highway regardless of weather condition if i take it easy and drive slow and steady?
i only have couple of more questions
1; how hard is blackwing to install?
2: CAI,more specifically the blackwing do any damage to my engine or anything else?
3: and like you said in warmer weather it will cause me to lose HP but do i still get better mileage in the city or highway regardless of weather condition if i take it easy and drive slow and steady?
After removing the stock airbox, carefully and firmly press the MAF completely onto the Blackwing and tighten the clamp. This will insure that he grommets at the top of the radiator cover line up with the holes in the Blackwing. The airbridge will fit the Blackwing like it fit the stock airbox.
Once you have it all pressed together, insert the grommets into the Blackwing. Using silicon spray on the rubber grommets and on the frame posts will make the assembly easier.
Once the MAF and Blackwing are together, press the entire unit onto the posts in the front frame. Then press the airbridge down into place and install the coupler.
Installation instructions:
http://97vette.com/howto/blackwing/index.html
Racer
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ok after reading all this, i will probably go with the black wing
i only have couple of more questions
1; how hard is blackwing to install?
2: CAI,more specifically the blackwing do any damage to my engine or anything else?
3: and like you said in warmer weather it will cause me to lose HP but do i still get better mileage in the city or highway regardless of weather condition if i take it easy and drive slow and steady?
i only have couple of more questions
1; how hard is blackwing to install?
2: CAI,more specifically the blackwing do any damage to my engine or anything else?
3: and like you said in warmer weather it will cause me to lose HP but do i still get better mileage in the city or highway regardless of weather condition if i take it easy and drive slow and steady?
Here is the California Air Resource Boad link that gives you access to what is legal in CA. I found it useful in my search for answers.
http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermk...ry.php.:smash:
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Burning Brakes
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From: Alameda CA
While I would agree with you and in fact did just what you are about to do 4 years later when Calif asked me to Smog the car I could not get the blackwing to pass inspection. I opted to change out the Blackwing for the K&N FTPK which is CARB exempt i.e. you can get a little sticker that says that K&N and tested and asserts that the product does not change the characteristics of the car's smog system.
Here is the California Air Resource Boad link that gives you access to what is legal in CA. I found it useful in my search for answers.
http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermk...ry.php.:smash:
Here is the California Air Resource Boad link that gives you access to what is legal in CA. I found it useful in my search for answers.
http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermk...ry.php.:smash:
Instructor
Joined: Feb 2009
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From: new jersey new jersey
rboineau said---then cut oval openings, not too big, in the TOPS of the fog-light shrouds..
Can you explain this further? is there a DIY threat? do you take the shrouds out of the car? thanks for the info....
Can you explain this further? is there a DIY threat? do you take the shrouds out of the car? thanks for the info....
Le Mans Master
Joined: Jun 2002
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From: San Diego California
I've read the thread and see that the OP has decided on a Blackwing. So he may want to ignore the rest.
I would consider the Callaway Honker. It is a high quality aftermarket item, and a novice like me installed it in a long morning. It does require cutting the radiator shroud. But as stated earlier it is a true Cold air intake. Best of all it is CARB certified. Just install it and forget. I'm not sure of the performance increase since the dyno was done after the install and I didn't have any base number. But when I jumped on it the rear tires started to break loose with traction control!
I think Callaway's Honker CAI will give you the best of all worlds.
I would consider the Callaway Honker. It is a high quality aftermarket item, and a novice like me installed it in a long morning. It does require cutting the radiator shroud. But as stated earlier it is a true Cold air intake. Best of all it is CARB certified. Just install it and forget. I'm not sure of the performance increase since the dyno was done after the install and I didn't have any base number. But when I jumped on it the rear tires started to break loose with traction control!
I think Callaway's Honker CAI will give you the best of all worlds.
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Drifting
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From: Seattle WA
There are essentially two groups and at least one intake system that lies in between.
The first group of intake systems or filter elements will allow performance to degrade as underhood temperatures rise. This occurs as vehicle speed is reduced due to various reasons such as traffic, construction, long tube headers, etc. Your engine's computer will retard timing to prevent predetonation and the result can be a 10 HP loss - that's not small change. Typical "warm air" intakes are the Blackwing, Halltech Stinger, and Volant twin filter.
Next, we have cold air intakes like the Callaway Honker, BPP Vortex, and Vararam. These systems allow the engine to pull in outside air and thus prevent horsepower degradation during slow-moving driving. Unfortunately, (non-Z06s) they do nothing to prevent headers and the engine itself from heating up the engine bay to a point where interior computers, plastics, and rubbers (not to mention the battery) will have shortened lives.
The K&N FIPK system is half way between the first and second categories. I call it a semi-cold air system.
I did something a bit different. Instead of isolating the cold intake air from the engine bay, I direct it (via polycarbonate scoop) through a stainless steel mesh screen and into and around my Halltech warhead filter. The engine draws in cold air and my engine bay stays cool, which also assists my catch can in trapping water along with oil.
The first group of intake systems or filter elements will allow performance to degrade as underhood temperatures rise. This occurs as vehicle speed is reduced due to various reasons such as traffic, construction, long tube headers, etc. Your engine's computer will retard timing to prevent predetonation and the result can be a 10 HP loss - that's not small change. Typical "warm air" intakes are the Blackwing, Halltech Stinger, and Volant twin filter.
Next, we have cold air intakes like the Callaway Honker, BPP Vortex, and Vararam. These systems allow the engine to pull in outside air and thus prevent horsepower degradation during slow-moving driving. Unfortunately, (non-Z06s) they do nothing to prevent headers and the engine itself from heating up the engine bay to a point where interior computers, plastics, and rubbers (not to mention the battery) will have shortened lives.
The K&N FIPK system is half way between the first and second categories. I call it a semi-cold air system.
I did something a bit different. Instead of isolating the cold intake air from the engine bay, I direct it (via polycarbonate scoop) through a stainless steel mesh screen and into and around my Halltech warhead filter. The engine draws in cold air and my engine bay stays cool, which also assists my catch can in trapping water along with oil.
Race Director
Joined: Dec 2000
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From: San Diego CA
The BBK system looks very similar to a Blackwing or Halltech Stinger in that it is not a true cold air intake. It pulls in warm-to-hot engine bay air. If you have this system, you'd do well to do my CAI mods, open up the fog light panels, or both. Otherwise, you gained HP will drop off quickly during slow-moving conditions.
Here's what the BBK system looks like:
http://www.bbkperformance.com/produc...ntake-kit.html
dave
Here's what the BBK system looks like:
http://www.bbkperformance.com/produc...ntake-kit.html
dave
Race Director
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From: San Diego CA
ok after reading all this, i will probably go with the black wing
i only have couple of more questions
1; how hard is blackwing to install?
2: CAI,more specifically the blackwing do any damage to my engine or anything else?
3: and like you said in warmer weather it will cause me to lose HP but do i still get better mileage in the city or highway regardless of weather condition if i take it easy and drive slow and steady?
i only have couple of more questions
1; how hard is blackwing to install?
2: CAI,more specifically the blackwing do any damage to my engine or anything else?
3: and like you said in warmer weather it will cause me to lose HP but do i still get better mileage in the city or highway regardless of weather condition if i take it easy and drive slow and steady?
2. Instead of getting 350,000 miles out of your engine, you may get only 250,000 miles. In general, higher flow = less filtering, especially at high rpm.
3. Your mileage will not change significantly when driving moderately. You will burn more fuel during agressive driving.
Drifting
Joined: Mar 2010
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From: Seattle WA
The BBK system looks very similar to a Blackwing or Halltech Stinger in that it is not a true cold air intake. It pulls in warm-to-hot engine bay air. If you have this system, you'd do well to do my CAI mods, open up the fog light panels, or both. Otherwise, you gained HP will drop off quickly during slow-moving conditions.
Here's what the BBK system looks like:
http://www.bbkperformance.com/produc...ntake-kit.html
dave
Here's what the BBK system looks like:
http://www.bbkperformance.com/produc...ntake-kit.html
dave
Tech Contributor
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From: Should this thoughtful, valuable contribution meet with no acknowledgement or 'thanks' this post----
If you want to FEEL the effect before buying one just take your stock air cleaner off and go for a short ride (not on a dirt road, of course!) You will immedately feel the added pull of the car.
Racer
Joined: May 2009
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From: New Bern NC
then do the ZIP TIE MOD
Im not sure if it made any HP gains but it had a seat of the pants gain.
also ran a 12.91 @109 with nothing other than a Ti catback
Melting Slicks
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From: Mansfield, Ohio
St. Jude Donor '08-'09-'10-'11, '14
So far happy with the Vararam. Definitely seems to pull harder at speeds over 55. Install was a pain, but the effort was worth the gain in my opinion.
Race Director
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From: San Diego CA
I sure do:
http://www.conceptualpolymer.com/Rad...op%20inst..pdf
Actually, the Callaway Honker also is C.A.R.B. approved, at least for non-Z06s.
The FIPK is in between the Blackwing and Vararam.
http://www.conceptualpolymer.com/Rad...op%20inst..pdf
Originally Posted by mel3535
is K&N FIPK Air Intake Kit any good? Compared to Blackwing or VaraRam?
It is the only one you can use in CA and be CARB compliant.
is K&N FIPK Air Intake Kit any good? Compared to Blackwing or VaraRam?
It is the only one you can use in CA and be CARB compliant.
The FIPK is in between the Blackwing and Vararam.