C5 Tech Corvette Tech/Performance: LS1 Corvette Technical Info, Internal Engine, External Engine, Tech Topics, Basic Tech, Maintenance, How to Remove & Replace
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Going Cat-less ?s

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Aug 20, 2010 | 07:59 PM
  #1  
heckler65's Avatar
heckler65
Thread Starter
Advanced
15 Year Member
Conversation Starter
All Eyes On Me
Liked
 
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 91
Likes: 8
From: Ocala FL
Default Going Cat-less ?s

How much advantage in performance and sound gains? currently I am running a Corsa pace car setup with a bassani x pipe and thinking of adding an off-road setup.. Has anyone used this magnaflow 15479 kit??
Reply
Old Aug 20, 2010 | 08:03 PM
  #2  
0331MARINE's Avatar
0331MARINE
Safety Car
Supporting Member
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 3,903
Likes: 1
From: You know your drunk when you swerve to miss the tree then you realize its your air freshener! Covington Ga
Default

Makes it pretty loud. Not sure about power gains. It does make it hard to get a good video.

Reply
Old Aug 21, 2010 | 01:29 AM
  #3  
BlackWidowC5's Avatar
BlackWidowC5
Advanced
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 68
Likes: 0
From: Monmouth County, NJ
Default

sounds mean...
Reply
Old Aug 21, 2010 | 05:46 PM
  #4  
heckler65's Avatar
heckler65
Thread Starter
Advanced
15 Year Member
Conversation Starter
All Eyes On Me
Liked
 
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 91
Likes: 8
From: Ocala FL
Default

That does sound mean, is that a factory cam? is that the magnaflow 15479 kit also?
Reply
Old Aug 21, 2010 | 05:54 PM
  #5  
0331MARINE's Avatar
0331MARINE
Safety Car
Supporting Member
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 3,903
Likes: 1
From: You know your drunk when you swerve to miss the tree then you realize its your air freshener! Covington Ga
Default

Originally Posted by heckler65
That does sound mean, is that a factory cam? is that the magnaflow 15479 kit also?
Cam is 237/242 .609 112LSA. It has Borla Stingers, LT's, and no cats.
Reply
Old Aug 21, 2010 | 07:43 PM
  #6  
4SFED Z's Avatar
4SFED Z
Melting Slicks
 
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 2,704
Likes: 4
From: Lone Star State
Default

Dont do it. Trust me....It is louder, but isnt worth it for inspections and the smell
Reply
Old Aug 21, 2010 | 08:30 PM
  #7  
Tulsa Vette Guy's Avatar
Tulsa Vette Guy
Tech Contributor
Supporting Lifetime
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 406
Likes: 1
From: Tulsa OK
Default

Originally Posted by 0331MARINE
Cam is 237/242 .609 112LSA. It has Borla Stingers, LT's, and no cats.
I second that,, forget it.
Reply
Old Aug 22, 2010 | 01:00 PM
  #8  
cdnguyred88's Avatar
cdnguyred88
Drifting
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 1,833
Likes: 4
From: Calgary, Alberta
Default

The previous owner had the cats hollowed out. It had a smell and set codes.

You smelt like raw fuel after a cruise with the top down. I drove ot for a year like this and got very tired of it.

Now after having the tune adjusted, the smell is gone, so are the codes.
Reply
Corvette Stories

The Best of Corvette for Corvette Enthusiasts

story-0

Every Corvette Grand Sport Explained! (C2, C4, C6, C7, & C8)

 Joe Kucinski
story-1

Grand Sport & Grand Sport X Launch Alongside All-New 535hp LS6 V8!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-2

5 Reasons Bad Drivers Crash & 5 Ways to Avoid a Costly Mistake!

 Joe Kucinski
story-3

7 Bolt-On Upgrades From Extreme Online Store to Level Up Your C6 Corvette

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-4

How Likely Are These Five 2027 Corvette Rumors to Be True?

 Brett Foote
story-5

9 Best Corvettes You Can Buy for Half Price (& 1 You Should NEVER Buy!)

 Joe Kucinski
story-6

8 Very Best Corvettes of Amelia Island 2026

 Joe Kucinski
story-7

Top 10 WORST Corvette Engineering Failures of All Time!

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

10 Records the C8 Corvette Generation Has SMASHED (& 1 Glaring Failure)

 Joe Kucinski
story-9

7 Wildest Corvette Concepts Ever Made

 Brett Foote
Old Aug 22, 2010 | 01:25 PM
  #9  
Bill Curlee's Avatar
Bill Curlee
Tech Contributor
Supporting Lifetime Gold
Veteran: Navy
25 Year Member
Liked
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Dec 1999
Posts: 32,910
Likes: 2,396
From: Anthony TX
CI 6,7,8,9,11 Vet
St. Jude Donor '08
Default

Why bother?? The power gain is negligible and you will really tire of the raw fuel smell. Get high-flow CATs if you want more power and a good header system and CAT back if you want power and noise.

BC
Reply
Old Aug 22, 2010 | 02:12 PM
  #10  
The Wrench's Avatar
The Wrench
Burning Brakes
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 931
Likes: 31
From: Rowlett, Texas
Default

I tried the Bassani front off-road pipe awhile, with Ti mufflers. Gained 12 HP, lost 12 TQ.
Smell was absolutely unbearable, and if I wound it out and let it rap down, it would occasionally pop like a high powered rifle out the back - unnerving.
I do have to say, though, it had a glorious Italian scream when it wasn't trying to blow the mufflers off.

DG
Reply
Old Oct 8, 2010 | 12:30 PM
  #11  
printmanjackson's Avatar
printmanjackson
Safety Car
20 Year Member
Conversation Starter
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 3,572
Likes: 9
From: Jackson Tn
St. Jude Donor '06-'07-'08-'09
Default

if you go with the high flow cats do you still have to run the air pump?
Reply
Old Oct 8, 2010 | 12:59 PM
  #12  
tblu92's Avatar
tblu92
Le Mans Master
20 Year Member
Conversation Starter
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 5,375
Likes: 326
From: CA.
St. Jude Donor '13-'14-'15
Default

I agree--don't do it----Its louder yes--But it's an annoying loud---
If you are looking for a more racier sound--- go "mufflerless" I have no mufflers on mine just an x-pipe( which actually quieted it down some and got rid of the resonance)----driving around town it's not all that loud---but when you get on it ----it really sounds cool --like a race car rather than the other million low rumblers on he road--
Reply
Old Oct 8, 2010 | 01:25 PM
  #13  
ZZ06's Avatar
ZZ06
Drifting
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 1,638
Likes: 50
From: Goldsboro NC
Default

DONT DO IT!!! There is very little gain to have by removing the cats. I have LG Street headers w/ their X-pipe with Corsa Extremes. ill post the video when i get off work. I purchased my exhaust w/o highflow cats and regret it. I already was aware about the smell and honestly since im a hardtop, it doesnt bother me. However that isnt the reason i just bought LG's highflow cats. The sound of my exhaust has a RASP to it i do not like between 2000-2600rpms. Plus it pops more than it should. The cats will cure this.
Reply
Old Oct 8, 2010 | 01:50 PM
  #14  
printmanjackson's Avatar
printmanjackson
Safety Car
20 Year Member
Conversation Starter
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 3,572
Likes: 9
From: Jackson Tn
St. Jude Donor '06-'07-'08-'09
Default

I want to get rid of the fuel smell.

anyone ever buy these?

http://performance-curve.com/3thunde...ter415300.aspx

Last edited by printmanjackson; Oct 8, 2010 at 02:10 PM.
Reply
Old Oct 8, 2010 | 04:27 PM
  #15  
manley845's Avatar
manley845
Burning Brakes
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,189
Likes: 4
From: Freeport, FL
Default

Any reduction in the resistance of incoming and outgoing air will increase the efficience of the air pump (i mean engine).

No cats will increase the sound, yes. But, if you like a loud car then do it. I personally am gonna install the Magnaflow off-road pipe and I have Borla straight pipes.

Will it smell like raw fuel, maybe. It will be just like any old school Chevy pre-emissions muscle car or Vette (at least i'm pretty sure there was a time when cars did not have cats).

Personally, I like the sound and smell of a rumblin muscle car. And I prefer the smell of fuel rather than the rotten egg smell that can sometimes occur with cats (and I only mean the mild odor that naturally occurs, not the strong smell when there is a mechanical issue).

Eh, I just think emissions components are only there to reduce emissions, not to aid in horsepower or performance (fuel economy). And I just dont care about emissions, so there!!! na na na na
Reply
Old Oct 8, 2010 | 05:52 PM
  #16  
lionelhutz's Avatar
lionelhutz
Race Director
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 11,148
Likes: 889
From: South Western Ontario
Default

You won't get much with just a cat delete on a stock manifold and down pipe. Go headers and high flow cats and then with a tune you'll see a decent gain, likely around 30-40 rwhp. Superman here has an excellent deal on a XSpower header system and it's a nice looking system. Haven't got mine on yet but I'm not too worried about it fitting either. You're looking at $300 to delete the cats. Forget that, spend about $800 and get a complete long tube header system and some real HP gains.

High flow cats have been tested ny enough magazines and such enough different times that I can easily say they won't make enough difference to be measurable on a dyno. So, I really don't see why I'd want a car that smells and pollutes when there is no positive gain except being a cheap *** who doesn't want to put out the couple of $100 for cats.

I've got an older Impala (with fuel injection that runs quite well actually) and I can always smell the exhaust on me after driving it. I've actually considered putting cats on it too just because of that. I don't drive it much though so it's OK like that. But, I drive the Vette a lot during the summer and I don't want to stink at work every day or stink every evening after coming home. Some people may like that smell but I personally don't.

Peter

Last edited by lionelhutz; Oct 8, 2010 at 05:58 PM.
Reply
Old Oct 8, 2010 | 06:01 PM
  #17  
lionelhutz's Avatar
lionelhutz
Race Director
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 11,148
Likes: 889
From: South Western Ontario
Default

Originally Posted by printmanjackson
I want to get rid of the fuel smell.

anyone ever buy these?

http://performance-curve.com/3thunde...ter415300.aspx
I think some people here have welded those into their "off road" OBX headers. I think there is a pipe secton right after the headers where those were welded in. Not sure but I guess they worked OK.

Peter
Reply

Get notified of new replies

To Going Cat-less ?s

Old Oct 8, 2010 | 06:10 PM
  #18  
JW Motorsports's Avatar
JW Motorsports
Banned Scam/Spammer
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 50,093
Likes: 267
From: Oklahoma City
St. Jude Donor '09-'10-'11-'12-'13-'14-'15-'16-'17,'19,'22
Default

I had no cats, but switched about 9 months later. I couldn't take that smell any longer.
Reply
Old Oct 8, 2010 | 06:33 PM
  #19  
manley845's Avatar
manley845
Burning Brakes
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,189
Likes: 4
From: Freeport, FL
Default

I hear the responses about the strong smell that these C5's produce when running without cats. I am getting more and more curious about this. I can't imagine how the C5 is much different than any of my older hot rods and muscle cars and they never produced a strong smell.

The only odor my older cars would produce would be that of natural exhaust coming from the tail pipes and only noticable when trainling behind the car or if the car were stationary it was mildly noticable when standing near the rear (or side) of the car.

I've always been able to tune a carb so that it wasn't overly rich and I would only hope that a sequential fuel injected motor would be better then even a tuned Q-Jet.

At the very least, I would hope that my Vette is not leaving so much fuel unburned that it would cause 'me' to stink. I think that if that were the case I'd want to fix that condition before installing cats.

I dunno, I think cats were only created to satisfy the EPA nuts and a well tuned engine should run quite clean without them, sure it wont be pure C02 and H2O coming outta the tail pipes, but certainly not raw fuel.

Lastly, it is good to be concious about the environment, but if I were that worried about it I'd be driving a Prius not a Vette. And it should be shunned to run catless on a C5 when its perfectly acceptable to run catless on an LT-1 '70 Vette.

p.s. bored at work
Reply
Old Oct 8, 2010 | 06:37 PM
  #20  
ZZ06's Avatar
ZZ06
Drifting
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 1,638
Likes: 50
From: Goldsboro NC
Default

Originally Posted by manley845
I hear the responses about the strong smell that these C5's produce when running without cats. I am getting more and more curious about this. I can't imagine how the C5 is much different than any of my older hot rods and muscle cars and they never produced a strong smell.

The only odor my older cars would produce would be that of natural exhaust coming from the tail pipes and only noticable when trainling behind the car or if the car were stationary it was mildly noticable when standing near the rear (or side) of the car.

I've always been able to tune a carb so that it wasn't overly rich and I would only hope that a sequential fuel injected motor would be better then even a tuned Q-Jet.

At the very least, I would hope that my Vette is not leaving so much fuel unburned that it would cause 'me' to stink. I think that if that were the case I'd want to fix that condition before installing cats.

I dunno, I think cats were only created to satisfy the EPA nuts and a well tuned engine should run quite clean without them, sure it wont be pure C02 and H2O coming outta the tail pipes, but certainly not raw fuel.

Lastly, it is good to be concious about the environment, but if I were that worried about it I'd be driving a Prius not a Vette. And it should be shunned to run catless on a C5 when its perfectly acceptable to run catless on an LT-1 '70 Vette.

p.s. bored at work
well for me...its not RAW fuel...Its just a stronger smell that is definately noticeable. When you run the heat or AC, if its not on recirculate and your sittin at a stoplight? your gonna smell like your exhaust. Not good when i have my girl in the girl
Reply



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:41 AM.

story-0
Every Corvette Grand Sport Explained! (C2, C4, C6, C7, & C8)

Slideshow: Every Corvette Grand Sport explained

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-03-26 07:13:44


VIEW MORE
story-1
Grand Sport & Grand Sport X Launch Alongside All-New 535hp LS6 V8!

Slideshow: Breaking down the 2027 Grand Sport, Grand Sport X, Stingray, and LS6 V8.

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-03-26 13:48:45


VIEW MORE
story-2
5 Reasons Bad Drivers Crash & 5 Ways to Avoid a Costly Mistake!

Slideshow: 5 reasons bad drivers crash sports cars & 5 ways to avoid a costly shame!

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-03-25 16:32:55


VIEW MORE
story-3
7 Bolt-On Upgrades From Extreme Online Store to Level Up Your C6 Corvette

Slideshow: Check out these easy-to-install upgrades from Extreme Online Store that reshape the look and feel of the C6 Corvette.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-03-23 17:00:27


VIEW MORE
story-4
How Likely Are These Five 2027 Corvette Rumors to Be True?

There may be some big changes on the horizon.

By Brett Foote | 2026-03-18 06:55:42


VIEW MORE
story-5
9 Best Corvettes You Can Buy for Half Price (& 1 You Should NEVER Buy!)

Slideshow: 9 best Corvettes you can buy for half price (and 1 you shouldn't!)

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-03-17 10:20:26


VIEW MORE
story-6
8 Very Best Corvettes of Amelia Island 2026

Slideshow: 8 best Corvette of Amelia Island 2026

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-03-11 09:28:52


VIEW MORE
story-7
Top 10 WORST Corvette Engineering Failures of All Time!

Slideshow: Top 10 worst Corvette engineering failures

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-03-10 17:38:03


VIEW MORE
story-8
10 Records the C8 Corvette Generation Has SMASHED (& 1 Glaring Failure)

Slideshow: 10 records the C8 Corvette generation has SMASHED (& 1 glaring failure).

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-03-02 11:16:36


VIEW MORE
story-9
7 Wildest Corvette Concepts Ever Made

Out of the many Corvette concepts that exist, these are by far the wildest of the bunch.

By Brett Foote | 2026-03-02 11:03:54


VIEW MORE