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Old Apr 5, 2011 | 11:47 AM
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What effect does the drivetrain have on RWTQ. I have read that drivetrain loss accounts for about ~15% where RWHP is concerened but how about RWTQ? I have a manual coupe with 3.42's making 540 RWHP and 470 RWTQ. Starting to take a look at clutch options and see that they rate TQ capacity at the engine.

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Originally Posted by Darion
What effect does the drivetrain have on RWTQ. I have read that drivetrain loss accounts for about ~15% where RWHP is concerened but how about RWTQ? I have a manual coupe with 3.42's making 540 RWHP and 470 RWTQ. Starting to take a look at clutch options and see that they rate TQ capacity at the engine.

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If the drivetrain loss diminishes HP, it must diminish TQ too. TQ is derived from HP.
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Old Apr 5, 2011 | 01:47 PM
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Yup I agree, just wondering to what degree. I don't know if there is a percent to apply like we do on the HP end or if its more complex than that. Alot of knowledge on CF and I'm sure an answer will come along.

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Originally Posted by Bluefire
If the drivetrain loss diminishes HP, it must diminish TQ too. TQ is derived from HP.
Other way around. TQ is measured

HP is calculated from TQ.
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Originally Posted by AU N EGL
Other way around. TQ is measured

HP is calculated from TQ.
True. My bad. Dislexic fingers before lunch.

Half a point for knowing they were related?
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Ok, so what does a stock 04 or similar LS1, manual make for torque on a rear wheel dyno on avg?
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Originally Posted by Darion
Ok, so what does a stock 04 or similar LS1, manual make for torque on a rear wheel dyno on avg?
My bone stock '99 made 322 lb ft. at the wheel.
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Torque varies as it goes through any gear ratio so maybe that's why you're thinking it's different for toque then HP. Fotunately, it seems most if not all wheel dyno's reflect the RWTQ back to engine rpm meaning the quoted RWTQ number does represent the engine torque less the the drivetrain losses. So, I would add something like 30% to your number and use that as the minimum torque the clutch should hold. It's probably more like 15% in reality but 30% will be sure to give you a little extra clutch capability.
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Originally Posted by LoneStarFRC
My bone stock '99 made 322 lb ft. at the wheel.
Thanks! So that works out to about an 8 % loss given a stock rating of 350TQ. Hopefully a few more will post up to see if that holds up or someone posts up that does not work and why.

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Originally Posted by Darion
Thanks! So that works out to about an 8 % loss given a stock rating of 350TQ. Hopefully a few more will post up to see if that holds up or someone posts up that does not work and why.

Thanks again,

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You do realize, that you can call a number of vendor/shops, and they can tell you EXACTLY what you need.......no math, no guesswork, no opinions....just a solid recommnedation, from people that do it for a living.
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Originally Posted by lucky131969
You do realize, that you can call a number of vendor/shops, and they can tell you EXACTLY what you need.......no math, no guesswork, no opinions....just a solid recommnedation, from people that do it for a living.
Hi Lucky. Yup I realize that but I would like to have an idea for myself. A vendor is going to offer what they think I need, opinion, from what they believe, experience . Hey they might be right, probably would be, I just like to do some background ahead of time for reference, due diligence. Plus I was just curious if a percent could be applied?

Thanks for the thought and in the end my shop will have a say,

Darion
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Lionelhutz, thanks for the info, seems reasonable.

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