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Old Oct 9, 2011 | 04:58 PM
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I'm new so please be gentel if & when I mess up here goes I have a 2000 automatic every now and again my vette will start fine and when I put it in gear and take my foot off the brake it dies. Itwill start right back up but when I put it in gear and release the brake it dies. I can get it going by accelerating and and droping it in gear. This does not happen very often but is very anoying. Best discription its like having a standard and not knowing how to drive. any ideas thanks cigmoney
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Oh, I forgot to mention there are no check engine lights or codes that appear. I am told [I have ask a GM mechanic] if no codes appear on dash no codes appear on computer. As you can tell I do not know much about this new stuff. I'm just a 60's shade tree guy.
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This kind of sounds like a service column lock issue. Does your DIC show "Service Column Lock" or "Pull Key Wait 10 Seconds" at all? The car will start and run just fine but the fuel will shut off when the computer sences 2 mph if the dealer has installed their fix.
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Sounds like the 2mph security cutoff. Will it stay ideling and die when you begin to move?
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Originally Posted by mstromquist
This kind of sounds like a service column lock issue. Does your DIC show "Service Column Lock" or "Pull Key Wait 10 Seconds" at all? The car will start and run just fine but the fuel will shut off when the computer sences 2 mph if the dealer has installed their fix.
You also have a SECURITY LIGHT on the IPC. When you insert the ket and turn it to ON,,, it should go OUT!

What is that light doing and (READ AND POST THE DTCs!!!)

READING YOUR Engine Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTC)

This procedure should be carried out any time you experience a problem with your C5. Most inexpensive store bought aftermarket code readers will ONLY read power train DTC’s. Reading the DTC’s with the C5 built in code reader will allow you to read ALL the modules in the vehicle.

The Diagnostic Display Mode is entered with the following procedure:
1) Turn on the ignition but don't start the engine.
2) Press the RESET button to turn off any warning messages. (i.e. door open, trunk open ect)
3) Press and hold the OPTIONS button
4) While holding OPTIONS, press FUEL button four times within a 10 -second period.

Initially, the on-board diagnostics go into an Automatic Mode which will cycle through each module and shows diagnostic codes in a pre-set sequence: PCM - TCS - RTD - BCM - IPC - RADIO - HVAC - LDCM - RDCM - SCM - RFA. All codes will be displayed for each module. ( i.e. PCM = 4 codes) If none are present in a given module, you will see No More Codes on the display.

There are two types of diagnostic codes, Current and History designated with a letter suffix, “C” or “H”. A current code indicates a malfunction is present in the module displaying data. A history code indicates a problem existed sometime in the last 40 or 50 ignition cycles. When not accompanied by a current code of the same number, it's potential evidence of a previous problem, now resolved, that was not removed by clearing the codes. More likely it's an indication of an intermittent malfunction.

Intermittent codes are the most challenging of the diagnostics. An intermittent code may have happened once, may have happened more than once but is inconsistent or may be happening on a regular basis but not at the time the codes are displayed. History codes can also be caused by a current malfunction in a system that is not operating at the time codes are displayed. An example is the rear window defogger which doesn't operate until the Body Control Module detects engine rpm. For history codes set by a module that does not operate with the key on and engine off, a special diagnostic tool called a Scan Tester is necessary to properly diagnose the malfunction.

Once the system has displayed all modules, it goes into the manual mode which allows selection of each module using combinations of Driver Information Center buttons. Manual mode can also be entered during the automatic sequence by pressing any button except E/M. Once the display shows Manual Diagnostics, select a module by pressing the OPTIONS button to go forward or the TRIP button to go back. Once a module is selected, a code is displayed, and if more than one are present; press GAGES to go forward or FUEL to go back.
To exit the diagnostic mode at any time, press E/M. If you want to erase codes in a given module, press RESET To reset the codes once in manual mode, press and hold RESET until it displays NO CODES Press OPTIONS to go to the next module. Repeat the steps until you have reset the codes in all the computer modules.
NOTE!! Only reset the codes IF you want to - it is NOT necessary to do this. Clearing a code does not repair a problem. You are simply erasing the evidence of it in the module's memory. If you clear the code/s, and extinguish the Check Engine Light, your emissions status ready will NOT allow you to pass an emissions test until you have completed the required driving cycles. There are a few body module DTC’s that if set will prevent the module from operating properly. Once the DTC is cleared, the module will return to full function. This is not true for power train DTCs.

If you have never read and cleared your codes, there will probably be a lot of old history DTCs. It is recommended that you clear your codes and see if any come back during a driving cycle. Those are the ones that you need to concentrate on diagnosing.

Once you have the codes, the next question is: What to do with the information?
First, consult the factory service manual. Any serious C5 Do-It-Yourself owner should invest in the Corvette Service Manual of the appropriate model year. The Service Manual is really a requirement if you want to understand and work on your C5.

NOTE and a WARNING. You can read the DTCs while the engine is running. I pull mine up all the time while driving.
WARNING. Don’t become distracted while reading DTCs while your driving and cause an accident!!!!! Use common sense and drive safe.

These are some very good C5 Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) explanation web sites!!! They also explain how to read the DTCs

Here are some very good sites that explain what DTC mean:

http://www.gearchatter.com/viewtopic11755.php

http://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_cod...d-ii-codes.php

Make sure to include the H or C suffix when you post your DTCs!!
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Old Oct 10, 2011 | 06:38 PM
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Thanks first for all the help and education. several codes were listed
P1431H Fuel Level Sensor to Performace
B2252H Key Cylinder Swith Circuit
most of the others had to do with seat sensors vbattery circuit radio or mirrors do you ever just delete these and start all over? Cigmoney
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This kind of sounds like a service column lock issue. Does your DIC show "Service Column Lock" or "Pull Key Wait 10 Seconds" at all? The car will start and run just fine but the fuel will shut off when the computer sences 2 mph if the dealer has installed their fix.
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Old Oct 10, 2011 | 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by dougbfresh
Sounds like the 2mph security cutoff. Will it stay ideling and die when you begin to move?
yes,thats exactly what it does but I can accelerate past as metioned and get going. Cigmoney
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Originally Posted by 8VETTE7
I suggest clearing all the codes as explained in the link for pulling them. Then next time the event occurs, pull and record ALL the codes as soon after the event occurs as possible.




To my knowledge it is not possible to "accelerate past" the 2mph fuel shutoff.. Someone else may have a different experience and will hopefully post it up. The fuel shutoff is based on vehicle speed as seen by the PCM. I for one cannot understand how one could go from zero miles per hour and skip past the 2mph shutoff speed unless the PCM speed sampeling rate is very slow. Additionally there were no DTC's reported that relate to column lock.
I'll get back to you when I have some futher Knowledge at least I have a few things to look at. Thanks to all who read this and took part Cigmoney
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