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Old Jan 27, 2012 | 08:58 AM
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My IC. HUD and DIC periodically go dead. Then they come back on. If I kill the engine and restart it they usually come back on. The former owner had the IC replaced, but the problem persists. It is almost like they just lose power. I cleaned the grounds in front under hood and kick panels. The grounds looked real good with no corrosion, as the car has only 17K on it and never in rain or snow. Spot on clean everywhere.
The codes are communication codes.
Battery is new and car starts and runs great.

Any ideas?

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Old Jan 27, 2012 | 03:31 PM
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Clear ALL the old DTCs!!

WHAT are the DTCs your seeing for all the modules when you expierence the issue??????????? With out switching off the ignition, read the DTCs

What specifically goes dead??? Instruments lighting, all the gages the entire thing??

BC

READING YOUR Engine Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTC)

This procedure should be carried out any time you experience a problem with your C5. Most inexpensive store bought aftermarket code readers will ONLY read power train DTC’s. Reading the DTC’s with the C5 built in code reader will allow you to read ALL the modules in the vehicle.

The Diagnostic Display Mode is entered with the following procedure:
1) Turn on the ignition but don't start the engine.
2) Press the RESET button to turn off any warning messages. (i.e. door open, trunk open ect)
3) Press and hold the OPTIONS button
4) While holding OPTIONS, press FUEL button four times within a 10 -second period.

Initially, the on-board diagnostics go into an Automatic Mode which will cycle through each module and shows diagnostic codes in a pre-set sequence: PCM - TCS - RTD - BCM - IPC - RADIO - HVAC - LDCM - RDCM - SCM - RFA. All codes will be displayed for each module. ( i.e. PCM = 4 codes) If none are present in a given module, you will see No More Codes on the display.

There are two types of diagnostic codes, Current and History designated with a letter suffix, “C” or “H”. A current code indicates a malfunction is present in the module displaying data. A history code indicates a problem existed sometime in the last 40 or 50 ignition cycles. When not accompanied by a current code of the same number, it's potential evidence of a previous problem, now resolved, that was not removed by clearing the codes. More likely it's an indication of an intermittent malfunction.

Intermittent codes are the most challenging of the diagnostics. An intermittent code may have happened once, may have happened more than once but is inconsistent or may be happening on a regular basis but not at the time the codes are displayed. History codes can also be caused by a current malfunction in a system that is not operating at the time codes are displayed. An example is the rear window defogger which doesn't operate until the Body Control Module detects engine rpm. For history codes set by a module that does not operate with the key on and engine off, a special diagnostic tool called a Scan Tester is necessary to properly diagnose the malfunction.

Once the system has displayed all modules, it goes into the manual mode which allows selection of each module using combinations of Driver Information Center buttons. Manual mode can also be entered during the automatic sequence by pressing any button except E/M. Once the display shows Manual Diagnostics, select a module by pressing the OPTIONS button to go forward or the TRIP button to go back. Once a module is selected, a code is displayed, and if more than one are present; press GAGES to go forward or FUEL to go back.
To exit the diagnostic mode at any time, press E/M. If you want to erase codes in a given module, press RESET To reset the codes once in manual mode, press and hold RESET until it displays NO CODES Press OPTIONS to go to the next module. Repeat the steps until you have reset the codes in all the computer modules.
NOTE!! Only reset the codes IF you want to - it is NOT necessary to do this. Clearing a code does not repair a problem. You are simply erasing the evidence of it in the module's memory. If you clear the code/s, and extinguish the Check Engine Light, your emissions status ready will NOT allow you to pass an emissions test until you have completed the required driving cycles. There are a few body module DTC’s that if set will prevent the module from operating properly. Once the DTC is cleared, the module will return to full function. This is not true for power train DTCs.

If you have never read and cleared your codes, there will probably be a lot of old history DTCs. It is recommended that you clear your codes and see if any come back during a driving cycle. Those are the ones that you need to concentrate on diagnosing.

Once you have the codes, the next question is: What to do with the information?
First, consult the factory service manual. Any serious C5 Do-It-Yourself owner should invest in the Corvette Service Manual of the appropriate model year. The Service Manual is really a requirement if you want to understand and work on your C5.

You can read the DTCs while the engine is running. If you turn the engine OFF and then back ON, that can clear some DTCs that may be important with identifying a problem. One example is a Misfire DTC (p-0300) If the engine is shut down, the DTC will clear.

These are some very good C5 Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) explanation web sites!!! They also explain how to read the DTCs

Here are some very good sites that explain what DTC mean:

http://www.gearchatter.com/viewtopic11755.php

http://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_cod...d-ii-codes.php

Make sure to include the H or C suffix when you post your DTCs!!
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Old Jan 27, 2012 | 05:24 PM
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I have cleared all the codes and will wait for the IPC/DC to go out and then read the codes. Will check for interior light status also.
What was in there were all U1096 H codes on BCM, SDM,RADIO,HVAC, LDCM and RDCM.
Though a bit vexing, I kind of enjoy trying to figure it out. Thought the grounds might do it , but perhaps we're looking at BCM.
This is such a great car, I can put up with a few glitches.
Dave

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Old Mar 6, 2012 | 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by David Shiel
My IC. HUD and DIC periodically go dead. Then they come back on. If I kill the engine and restart it they usually come back on. The former owner had the IC replaced, but the problem persists. It is almost like they just lose power. I cleaned the grounds in front under hood and kick panels. The grounds looked real good with no corrosion, as the car has only 17K on it and never in rain or snow. Spot on clean everywhere.
The codes are communication codes.
Battery is new and car starts and runs great.

Any ideas?
My car actually did something similar today. I don't have to restart though, they just turn off completely for like 2-3 seconds.
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Old Jul 16, 2015 | 09:37 PM
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I have a 50th anniversary convertible that this just happened to today. At one point the instrument cluster was dead for 20 minutes. I was on the turnpike doing 80. When the cluster came back on, the odometer showed the same mileage it did went it went dead. When I got home, the DIC showed communication errors with the IPC on the HVAC,Radio RDCM, LDCM, and RFA. Does anyone have any ideas what causes this?
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Old Jul 17, 2015 | 08:32 AM
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I worked with David on his issue here and it turned out to be a couple of loose IPC connector terminals that were not fully seated.

Your issue is different. You seem to have a serial bus issue. Create a new Thread with the same info and we can help you.

Also read your next to last sentence and see if it is worded correctly.
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