Got rid of the pull key message.
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From: Charleston SC
Both are affected. If you hear the sound of your column locking after you take the key out, my advice would be "install an lmc5 to avoid the issue altogether". I've read too many horror stories about it...
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From: Lovin Life Oh
well i tried the column lock and the lmc5 and still hae the pull key and service column lock message
wtf?
I suspect i may have an idea what the problem is, I dont have the relay to remove in my 98 6 spd, t heres only 1 relay and it doesnt have ht right colors, there is also a plug there with nothing plugged into it. I really am not sure what to do now.
wtf?
I suspect i may have an idea what the problem is, I dont have the relay to remove in my 98 6 spd, t heres only 1 relay and it doesnt have ht right colors, there is also a plug there with nothing plugged into it. I really am not sure what to do now.
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well i tried the column lock and the lmc5 and still hae the pull key and service column lock message
wtf?
I suspect i may have an idea what the problem is, I dont have the relay to remove in my 98 6 spd, t heres only 1 relay and it doesnt have ht right colors, there is also a plug there with nothing plugged into it. I really am not sure what to do now.
wtf?
I suspect i may have an idea what the problem is, I dont have the relay to remove in my 98 6 spd, t heres only 1 relay and it doesnt have ht right colors, there is also a plug there with nothing plugged into it. I really am not sure what to do now.
Here is what you should see:
Racer
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From: Bowie Texas
I also bought a LMC5 because the horror stories about the column locking at a bad time had me worried. I have no idea what has been done to my car in the past but I do know the column locked as designed. I have had no error messages and no problems with it not unlocking at start.
Install is as easy as every one said, the hardest part is getting the connectors unpluged. I guess it didn't fix anything except my peace of mind but now my wheel turns free all the time.
BTW I forgot to order the unlocker and sent a email late at night asking if it could be added. When I got up the next day I had a email saying they would add it to my already packed order. The whole thing arrived a couple of days later. I too like dealing with them
Install is as easy as every one said, the hardest part is getting the connectors unpluged. I guess it didn't fix anything except my peace of mind but now my wheel turns free all the time.
BTW I forgot to order the unlocker and sent a email late at night asking if it could be added. When I got up the next day I had a email saying they would add it to my already packed order. The whole thing arrived a couple of days later. I too like dealing with them
Last edited by Txsailor; Mar 18, 2012 at 10:29 PM. Reason: Typo corrected
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LMC5 issues
I have a '99 C5 MN6. Previous owner had the recall done with GM at 30,000 miles. I was at about 58,000 miles when I had a complete lock of my steering wheel. I purchased the LMC5 in December and the unlocker and was successful in getting my car running again. Unfortunately, I was still getting the wait 10 seconds message at start up. If I don't pull the key, fuel shuts off and car stalls. This happens to me about 50%+ times I start up the car.
I emailed Rick and unfortunately, he has been extremely snails pace at responding. I read the forum and decided a call is more in order, so hopefully I will hear back and have similar success.
I took the car to GM because I was unsure if there was ever any recall work on the car (hence, I found out that they did reprogram at 30k). They want $500 to take out the LMC5, put their own part in, and reprogram the computer. It seems outrageous to me. They feel like the fixed the problem, when in fact I had a full steering column lock after their supposed recall fix.
Am I right not to be feeding the GM coffers with $500 for their defect?
Anyone have any suggestions for getting rid of the "wait 10 seconds" message post-LMC5 installation?
Thanks!
I emailed Rick and unfortunately, he has been extremely snails pace at responding. I read the forum and decided a call is more in order, so hopefully I will hear back and have similar success.
I took the car to GM because I was unsure if there was ever any recall work on the car (hence, I found out that they did reprogram at 30k). They want $500 to take out the LMC5, put their own part in, and reprogram the computer. It seems outrageous to me. They feel like the fixed the problem, when in fact I had a full steering column lock after their supposed recall fix.
Am I right not to be feeding the GM coffers with $500 for their defect?
Anyone have any suggestions for getting rid of the "wait 10 seconds" message post-LMC5 installation?
Thanks!
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From: Ann Arbor MI
Compliance Parts has a relay-based unit (LMC5-R) that worked for me when the solid state version resulted in pull-key messages. I tried two LMC5 units (the solid state version) and kept getting the pull key message. With the LMC5-R, the problem's gone and it's been working great ever since.
Compliance parts typically responded to my emails within hours (sometimes minutes) when I had problems. I was using the "info" email address on their website. Give that a try.
Andy
Compliance parts typically responded to my emails within hours (sometimes minutes) when I had problems. I was using the "info" email address on their website. Give that a try.
Andy
Last edited by red08C6; Mar 19, 2012 at 08:49 PM. Reason: grammar
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St. Jude Donor '14
I have a '99 C5 MN6. Previous owner had the recall done with GM at 30,000 miles. I was at about 58,000 miles when I had a complete lock of my steering wheel. I purchased the LMC5 in December and the unlocker and was successful in getting my car running again. Unfortunately, I was still getting the wait 10 seconds message at start up. If I don't pull the key, fuel shuts off and car stalls. This happens to me about 50%+ times I start up the car.
I emailed Rick and unfortunately, he has been extremely snails pace at responding. I read the forum and decided a call is more in order, so hopefully I will hear back and have similar success.
I took the car to GM because I was unsure if there was ever any recall work on the car (hence, I found out that they did reprogram at 30k). They want $500 to take out the LMC5, put their own part in, and reprogram the computer. It seems outrageous to me. They feel like the fixed the problem, when in fact I had a full steering column lock after their supposed recall fix.
Am I right not to be feeding the GM coffers with $500 for their defect?
Anyone have any suggestions for getting rid of the "wait 10 seconds" message post-LMC5 installation?
Thanks!
I emailed Rick and unfortunately, he has been extremely snails pace at responding. I read the forum and decided a call is more in order, so hopefully I will hear back and have similar success.
I took the car to GM because I was unsure if there was ever any recall work on the car (hence, I found out that they did reprogram at 30k). They want $500 to take out the LMC5, put their own part in, and reprogram the computer. It seems outrageous to me. They feel like the fixed the problem, when in fact I had a full steering column lock after their supposed recall fix.
Am I right not to be feeding the GM coffers with $500 for their defect?
Anyone have any suggestions for getting rid of the "wait 10 seconds" message post-LMC5 installation?
Thanks!
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I personally wouldn't give the dealer $500. According to others Compliance has very good customer service. I'd give Rick a chance and if he can't fix it I'm sure he will return your money. I would also be looking for someone to reprogram the 2mph shutoff to a higher speed. It cost about $100 bucks to get it done around here. That is something I think everyone should have done even if they have the LMC5 or the CLB. Then the worst you have to deal with is an annoying message.
Is the reprogramming of the shut off speed a complicated fix? I'm assuming I will have to take it somewhere to be done. I had the car at valet and watched the guy keep stalling my car because he didn't read the little message.
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St. Jude Donor '14
Thanks. I just got off the phone with Rick. Phone turned out much better than email. He definitely wants to try and help, and has a couple possible solutions. I am going to opt out of the GM plan.
Is the reprogramming of the shut off speed a complicated fix? I'm assuming I will have to take it somewhere to be done. I had the car at valet and watched the guy keep stalling my car because he didn't read the little message.
Is the reprogramming of the shut off speed a complicated fix? I'm assuming I will have to take it somewhere to be done. I had the car at valet and watched the guy keep stalling my car because he didn't read the little message.
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Some great information in this thread. Thanks for all who have posted up the material.
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From: Lovin Life Oh
looks like my problem is voltage based. my battery was 4 years old, luckily my silverado jsut got a new battery and litterally takes the identical model number. I swapped out batteries and the new battery which is a month old holds voltage above 12.5 most of the time.
If i leave a battery charger on the battery i dont get the pull key message, if i take it off, im getting it.
Seems i have a drain someplace that is just enough to make my BCM hate me, at least it seems like that at this point. I need to dig into it some more.
I have the CLB and the LMC5 installed currently in my 98 6spd with both recalls done.
If i leave a battery charger on the battery i dont get the pull key message, if i take it off, im getting it.
Seems i have a drain someplace that is just enough to make my BCM hate me, at least it seems like that at this point. I need to dig into it some more.
I have the CLB and the LMC5 installed currently in my 98 6spd with both recalls done.
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From: Lovin Life Oh
anyone build some sort of capacitor yet to make these cars happy?
Im thinking a 1/2 farad capacity bolted onto the side of hte battery housing that everything runs through it before going to the battery.
I am no electronics engineer and im not even sure if that will maintain the voltage or not but there has to be a simple solution.
Im thinking a 1/2 farad capacity bolted onto the side of hte battery housing that everything runs through it before going to the battery.
I am no electronics engineer and im not even sure if that will maintain the voltage or not but there has to be a simple solution.
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From: Seattle WA
anyone build some sort of capacitor yet to make these cars happy?
Im thinking a 1/2 farad capacity bolted onto the side of hte battery housing that everything runs through it before going to the battery.
I am no electronics engineer and im not even sure if that will maintain the voltage or not but there has to be a simple solution.
Im thinking a 1/2 farad capacity bolted onto the side of hte battery housing that everything runs through it before going to the battery.
I am no electronics engineer and im not even sure if that will maintain the voltage or not but there has to be a simple solution.
Cliff notes version: a capacitor won't fix your drain issues; you need to troubleshoot and find out what is draining your battery and fix it instead of a band-aid.
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From: Mechanicsville Md
Installed the LMC5 today and got the pull key 10 sec message. Waited 10+ seconds and it went away. Drove the car and all was fine. Went back and hour or so later and got the10 sec pull key again. Go through the 10 sec wait and all works fine again. Is this what everyone else is seeing?
Burning Brakes
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From: Concord California
Per the diagram of the Steering Column solenoid, installing the LMC5 cuts out that wire circuit completely, the LMC5 becomes the NEW wired circuit and tells the BCM that it's working fine...
Now the draw back is, YOUR STEERING WON"T LOCK when you turn off your ride and leave it, meaning if someone tries to steal your ride, tech. they can drive the vehicle since no more locking steering wheel and no gas shut off.. But I"ll live with that. I'll get a FRIGGIN CLUB and lock it to the brakes then... anything but that stupid COLUMN LOCK... anything could set that off, low batterey, etc..
Now the draw back is, YOUR STEERING WON"T LOCK when you turn off your ride and leave it, meaning if someone tries to steal your ride, tech. they can drive the vehicle since no more locking steering wheel and no gas shut off.. But I"ll live with that. I'll get a FRIGGIN CLUB and lock it to the brakes then... anything but that stupid COLUMN LOCK... anything could set that off, low batterey, etc..
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From: Mechanicsville Md
Well I don't think that's entirely true. I installed the LMC5 per the instructions and disconnected the column lock relay. Column does not lock but I get a pull key message eveytime. I never got any BCM codes now I get 3 along with an ASR code. I cleared them this morning and will post them if they come back. Is there anyway I connected something incorrect? Car starts fine after I pull the key and wait 10 sec.
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From: Concord California
Jumper11, give Rich a call, you may need the LMC5-R unit... Rich is the best person in the world to work with. This wiring design is so mess up from GM, I would love to meet that person in an alley with a crow bar. Or they should of just left he KEY placement on the dam steering column and not move it to the dash.