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Old Mar 21, 2012 | 12:56 AM
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See members talk about it..but whats it for. whats it do for performance??
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It is a new crank pulley that drives the accessories a little slower. Supposed to help with performance but you won't feel the difference. Better used to replace the stock unit when it fails.

Be careful of the underdrive if you expect to drive in hot weather at night and idle or cruise slowly - such as getting stuck in traffic on the way home. The lights, AC and cooling fans running will slowly drain the battery. The temps will climb also due to slower water pump speed and less voltage due to alternator running slower which then means the cooling fans run slower. It doesn't matter how much and under drive pulley is pushed as great, the car can't function as well if you start taxing your cooling and electical system since the cooling and electical system are going 25% slower.

I almost overheated in a traffic jamb one night. Had to go AC off and windows down to keep it under 250. It just stabilized enough to reach an exit where I could run down a few streets with a little rpm and some speed to get the temps down and the voltage back up.

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It is a new crank pulley that drives the accessories a little slower. Supposed to help with performance but you won't feel the difference. Better used to replace the stock unit when it fails.

Be careful of the underdrive if you expect to drive in hot weather at night and idle or cruise slowly - such as getting stuck in traffic on the way home. The lights, AC and cooling fans running will slowly drain the battery. The temps will climb also due to slower water pump speed and less voltage due to alternator running slower which then means the cooling fans run slower. It doesn't matter how much and under drive pulley is pushed as great, the car can't function as well if you start taxing your cooling and electical system since the cooling and electical system are going 25% slower.

I almost overheated in a traffic jamb one night. Had to go AC off and windows down to keep it under 250. It just stabilized enough to reach an exit where I could run down a few streets with a little rpm and some speed to get the temps down and the voltage back up.
Good to kno info.ill scratch that off the to do list..thanks
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Old Mar 21, 2012 | 03:28 AM
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Or you could read the hundreds of other posts where where it shows an significant improvement on the dyno, faster revs, and no overheating or electrical issues.
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Old Mar 21, 2012 | 05:26 AM
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You also have to remember that the part is actually a harmonic damper for the crankshaft and some of the aftermarket units have been linked to timing chain failures, most notably the ASP underdrive pulley. Replacement by itself is a lot of work for minimal increase in HP, however if you have the stock unit off for other reasons that is a good time to consider a swap. When you do, choose wisely when selecting a new one.
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Originally Posted by baxsom
Or you could read the hundreds of other posts where where it shows an significant improvement on the dyno, faster revs, and no overheating or electrical issues.
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You also have to remember that the part is actually a harmonic damper for the crankshaft and some of the aftermarket units have been linked to timing chain failures, most notably the ASP underdrive pulley. Replacement by itself is a lot of work for minimal increase in HP, however if you have the stock unit off for other reasons that is a good time to consider a swap. When you do, choose wisely when selecting a new one.
Good advice. Like anything else, you need to shop around, get recommendations, etc from reputable sources. It should be a part of a balanced (NPI) approach or package of mods, not just a separate thing. Companies like ATI, Powerbond, Innovators West, SLP, etc all have excellent feedback and good reputations earned over the years. They are not the snake-oil or boogey-man some would have you believe and they are damned well better than the stocker, if for no other reason than to get rid of the high-failure-rate stocker with that dumb torque-to-yield crank bolt with no crank-pin or keyway. When you get one, pin the crank and use an ARP crank bolt.

HTH
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Driving on a hot night in a traffic jamb with the AC and lights on = problem.

Driving around on a Sunday afternoon without the lights = no problem

How do you drive your car again?

As I posted, an aftermarket pulley is better to use as a replacement for the stocker than to say it's a performer improver.
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Originally Posted by lionelhutz
It is a new crank pulley that drives the accessories a little slower. Supposed to help with performance but you won't feel the difference. Better used to replace the stock unit when it fails.

Be careful of the underdrive if you expect to drive in hot weather at night and idle or cruise slowly - such as getting stuck in traffic on the way home. The lights, AC and cooling fans running will slowly drain the battery. The temps will climb also due to slower water pump speed and less voltage due to alternator running slower which then means the cooling fans run slower. It doesn't matter how much and under drive pulley is pushed as great, the car can't function as well if you start taxing your cooling and electical system since the cooling and electical system are going 25% slower.

I almost overheated in a traffic jamb one night. Had to go AC off and windows down to keep it under 250. It just stabilized enough to reach an exit where I could run down a few streets with a little rpm and some speed to get the temps down and the voltage back up.
You should have left the air conditioner on as it triggers the fans to both run. I ran the UD pulley here in AZ. for quite a while before the super charger with no heating problems at all. I suggest you take a look at your radiator to make sure it has no debris in it.
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Not worth it in my book, and you'll have to get a different size belt too. I want my water pump and alternator running at the speed they are supposed to.
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Originally Posted by tiojames
You should have left the air conditioner on as it triggers the fans to both run. I ran the UD pulley here in AZ. for quite a while before the super charger with no heating problems at all. I suggest you take a look at your radiator to make sure it has no debris in it.
Ummm NO! 250 is well over the high fan on temperature without the AC so both fans were running at rull speed.
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I'm running the ATI and it's only 10% underdrive. Never had any problems
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Which of the aforementioned pulleys actually have dampeners built in? This is also the first I've read of the stock unit being prone to failure (I'm new).
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Originally Posted by Supercharged111
Which of the aforementioned pulleys actually have dampeners built in? This is also the first I've read of the stock unit being prone to failure (I'm new).
All provide harmonic damping, however there is a question to the effectiveness. ATI is the "go to" company for racing and high demand motors including the C5R, etc. I went with the ATI 10% under drive after spending time speaking with one of their engineers at Carlisle several years ago.
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Originally Posted by printmanjackson
I'm running the ATI and it's only 10% underdrive. Never had any problems
The 25% UD Powerbond I have is no problem either.
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