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Old May 31, 2012 | 11:56 AM
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I am looking for advice from anyone that has done it? What are the problems? What should I look out for or consider? My car is a 2002 Z06.

I know that i have to have a wiring harness adapter but that doesn't seem to be a problem.

I know that I need a different intake and throttle body.

I understand, but maybe someone can confirm this, that I can retain my LS6 headers. I also understand that I can use the C5 transmission.

What else can you retain from the C5? Alternator? Power steering pump? Are there any clearance issues?

I intend to run an ARE dry sump. I understand that you have to decide whether to use a long snout crank thereby allowing you to retain air conditioning. Are there any clearance issues with the radiator (Dewitt) with this type of set up? Also, what from the C5 AC can you retain with this type of set up? Can you use the factory C5 AC?

Thanks in advance for any helpful advice?
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No problems at all w/ 24 tooth reluctor, 90mm TB harness adapter, and bat wing oil pan cover. I did not choose to go w/ dry sump. I used a Ron Davis radiator w/ IOC. I even kept the '99 PCM. Also, ran 1 7/8" ARHs. Your 2002 won't have any issues at all. Take it to Vengeance, they been there, done that, many times, NA, SC, an NO2. Hope this helps.
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Old May 31, 2012 | 07:41 PM
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Take it to Vengeance, they been there, done that, many times, NA, SC, an NO2.
Vengeance put in a 418 LS3 for the previous owner of my '01 coupe. He put 3,500 miles on it and I've added a further 2,500 miles with no issues.
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Originally Posted by jcsperson
Vengeance put in a 418 LS3 for the previous owner of my '01 coupe. He put 3,500 miles on it and I've added a further 2,500 miles with no issues.
Any idea on price for it and what power di it put down
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Old May 31, 2012 | 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Yellow Z
I am looking for advice from anyone that has done it? What are the problems? What should I look out for or consider? My car is a 2002 Z06.

I know that i have to have a wiring harness adapter but that doesn't seem to be a problem.
You will need a T/B wiring harness adapter, knock sensor adapters and can't recall what else on the wiring side.

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I know that I need a different intake and throttle body.

I understand, but maybe someone can confirm this, that I can retain my LS6 headers. I also understand that I can use the C5 transmission.
If you are puttign together an LS7 you can take advantage of the great LS7 heads and LS7 intake that on their own are not only cheaper than any set of ported LS6 style heads and Fast intake combos, they flow better stock.

You will want to replace the LS6 throttle body so you can exploit the new displacement.

Your LS6 headers will choke the ANY 427ci setup, so youare better off going with some 1 7/8" or bigger headers.

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What else can you retain from the C5? Alternator? Power steering pump? Are there any clearance issues?
All accesories bolt right up.

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I intend to run an ARE dry sump. I understand that you have to decide whether to use a long snout crank thereby allowing you to retain air conditioning. Are there any clearance issues with the radiator (Dewitt) with this type of set up? Also, what from the C5 AC can you retain with this type of set up? Can you use the factory C5 AC?
This is the expensive and 'will require' lotsof custom fabrication path. Relocating battery to the rear, extra weight for wiring etc method.

If you go wet sump, you can pretty much just bolt up to your C5 setup.

Replace the batwing sump with an LS2 sump if you do go the wet sump route.
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Old May 31, 2012 | 11:46 PM
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pics of this???
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Old Jun 1, 2012 | 12:14 AM
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Did anybody mention lots more TRACTION? Bullet proof drive train?? Crowbar to pry the GRIN off your face!

Thats about it for me..

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Hope someone post pictures of this I've been thinking of doing the same thing some time soon.
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Thanks. Are you able to use the factory C5 AC if you go with the long snout crank to drive the dry sump? Already got a drivetrain that can handle the HP.
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Stay wet sump. You'll thank me later.
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Originally Posted by enokcud
Hope someone post pictures of this I've been thinking of doing the same thing some time soon.
Well, if you decide to go overboard when you do do your LS7 upgrade, it might look/sound something like this. This was the first startup of my car back in 2007.


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My setup is a Vengeance Racing built LS7 based 440, also done in 07. Mine is a wet sump. If you go NA it might look something like this.



If you decide to add a little spray it might look more like this.

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If you do this going with a wet sump will be much easier and budget friendly. That is how I have mine setup.


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Originally Posted by 7LitreC5
If you do this going with a wet sump will be much easier and budget friendly. That is how I have mine setup.

What is the average cost, staying wetsump?
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Old Jun 2, 2012 | 10:45 PM
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Look up ECS East Coast Supercharging in NJ. Just saw an 04 tonight with an LS7 they built and installed for him. All the locals speek highly of them.
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Originally Posted by jcsperson
Vengeance put in a 418 LS3 for the previous owner of my '01 coupe. He put 3,500 miles on it and I've added a further 2,500 miles with no issues.
Originally Posted by evo2ls1
Any idea on price for it and what power di it put down
The receipt is for $12K including motor, headers, X-pipe and such. The details are in my profile. It made 522 rwhp and 496 torque.

I had never driven anything remotely as powerful as this and it pulls like crazy. When I read about guys who have boosted set-ups with 800, 1000 or even 1200 hp, I can't even imagine it.

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I spent <$10k on mine (LS7 block) not including the Katech valve covers. I shopped sales and deals.

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What exactly is needed to convert the LS7 engine to wet sump?

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Originally Posted by 7LitreC5
I spent <$10k on mine (LS7 block) not including the Katech valve covers. I shopped sales and deals.
Ok, just trying to get an idea, I have bolt ons now and its time to start the big stuff and trying to decide if its gonna be the N/A route, or FI. These Ls7 cars and LS3 built cars seem to make great power and run stronger times than FI cars with more power so its going to be a tough decision.
To the OP be sure to post what you decide on and why.
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Originally Posted by checo3423
What exactly is needed to convert the LS7 engine to wet sump?

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It is not really a case of converting an LS7 long block to wet sump, it is a case of building a 427 using the LS7 block and heads/intake.

You will use an appropriate forged bottom end and appropriate valve train for the intended power/application.

As far as price goes - if you are able to raid your spares bin and do much of the work yourself, then a decent 427ci setup can be had for about $10K - factor in as much as $18,000 if you do none of the work yourself and want the best accessories.

Either way, N/A big cube motors are not the cheapest route to get crazy HP.

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I spent <$10k on mine (LS7 block) not including the Katech valve covers. I shopped sales and deals.
And I should imagine did a lot of the heavy lifting yourself.

There is about $4000 labour to be saved in not having the major build/surgery/install done by an engine builder/tuner. Not going ported heads can save you another $1,800 or so.

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