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Old Jan 21, 2015 | 11:11 AM
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Just to be clear, you say disconnecting any one or all of the injectors you cannot get the PCM to communicate?
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Old Jan 21, 2015 | 11:23 AM
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Just to be clear, you say disconnecting any one or all of the injectors you cannot get the PCM to communicate?
Disconnecting any 1 injector at a time. The shop said it worked for them, but I couldn't get the same results.
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Old Jan 21, 2015 | 02:00 PM
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Disconnecting any 1 injector at a time. The shop said it worked for them, but I couldn't get the same results.
Sounds like the shop you took it to is MESSED UP!
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Old Jan 21, 2015 | 02:11 PM
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Sounds like the shop you took it to is MESSED UP!
Yea I dunno, I can't really complain though bc they didn't charge me for labor bc they couldn't figure out what was wrong with the car. So I'm thankful that there's still a few places out there with some integrity. they did however do some phenominal body work for me. I'm going to mail my bcm out tomorrow and have it checked. And also found a company that can repair/replace my pcm as well if need be. Just waiting on a reply back from them so I can send it. Then I'll see where I'm at after I know both of those are in good working order.( hopefully it'll be behind the damn driver seat)
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Old Jan 21, 2015 | 02:16 PM
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The PCM is on a fuse, I've seem many time you could not communicate with a PCM (in a running vehicle) because the fuse was popped, usually because of something plugged into the cig. lighter that popped the fuse the obd port was on too.
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Old Jan 21, 2015 | 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by 3boystoys
The PCM is on a fuse, I've seem many time you could not communicate with a PCM (in a running vehicle) because the fuse was popped, usually because of something plugged into the cig. lighter that popped the fuse the obd port was on too.
I already checked the fuses visually and with a meter, and I checked the wires under the fuse box to make sure they weren't loose
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Old Jan 21, 2015 | 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Ppags
I already checked the fuses visually and with a meter, and I checked the wires under the fuse box to make sure they weren't loose
Did you try a scanner plugged into the OBD port and the DIC to get any info? Did you pull the battery to see if there was ever any acid leakage from the battery onto the PCM?
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Old Jan 21, 2015 | 02:35 PM
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Did you try a scanner plugged into the OBD port and the DIC to get any info? Did you pull the battery to see if there was ever any acid leakage from the battery onto the PCM?
Yea I borrowed a scanner from Advance, and checked the codes though the dash. All no comm. And before when this problem was intermittent, when the car would run there were no codes except for general loss of comm. The pcm looked clean, no acid signs of at all.
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Old Jan 21, 2015 | 02:52 PM
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Check CLOSELY all the pins on the connectors that plug into the PCM, I bet you have some twisted/open ones.
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Old Jan 21, 2015 | 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 3boystoys
Check CLOSELY all the pins on the connectors that plug into the PCM, I bet you have some twisted/open ones.
I did that the other night as well, i blew out both connectors with an air can, and then made sure every wire was in there and connected.
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Old Jan 21, 2015 | 03:26 PM
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I did that the other night as well, i blew out both connectors with an air can, and then made sure every wire was in there and connected.
Look at this thread and look at the bent connectors:

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...-there-is.html

It's sutile how the pins get twisted in the harness.
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Old Jan 21, 2015 | 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by dadaroo
Let's take a simple battery charger using 60 cycle AC and converts it to DC and does it using the Full Wave conversion and produces 60 square waves and not 30. This is like turning the electronics on and off 60 times a second when a battery can't help filter or mitigate this condition.

You may ask yourself then why does my computer power supply not damage the electronics? Good question. It is because the power supply is much more complex and actually makes a virtual true DC current. At least as close as possible.

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Thanks - good analogy
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Old Jan 28, 2015 | 01:35 PM
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Hey could a transmission issue cause the pcm to go into a "safe mode" and cause the issues I'm having. The more I think about it, the more I don't think its a coincidence that this happened they day after I changed the transmission fluid, which I accidentally got everywhere bc I loosened the wrong bolt on the trans,( the square one on the top) so fluid blew everywhere for a sec.
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Old Jan 28, 2015 | 02:39 PM
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Hey could a transmission issue cause the pcm to go into a "safe mode" and cause the issues I'm having. The more I think about it, the more I don't think its a coincidence that this happened they day after I changed the transmission fluid, which I accidentally got everywhere bc I loosened the wrong bolt on the trans,( the square one on the top) so fluid blew everywhere for a sec.
Could have shorted something in the rear but the ECU is in the front of the car.
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Old Jan 28, 2015 | 07:07 PM
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It all sounds to me like you have a major grounding problem. I say that because you have several unconnected things (windows, PCM, coil packs, etc.) happening at the same time. If you will go to the beginning of the C5 tech forum, you will find a thread call "electrical issues." or something like that. The first thing mentioned is grounding points. You car is 17 years old, so your grounding points are probably corroded. That will cause more problems than you'll ever believe. I would clean those up in addition to the grounding points you already cleaned up. Then you can clearly look at anything else that may be screwed up and be more sure about what you are looking at.

Good luck with it.
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Old Jan 28, 2015 | 09:42 PM
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Sounds to me like you have a short in the comm buss.
More likely than not in the pass side door wiring.
Have you grabbed the door accordion tube and given it a good shake? Sounds dumb, but it's a common issue.
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Old Jan 28, 2015 | 10:26 PM
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Sounds to me like you have a short in the comm buss.
More likely than not in the pass side door wiring.
Have you grabbed the door accordion tube and given it a good shake? Sounds dumb, but it's a common issue.
100% On the mark!! Look to the left of the BCM in the passengers foot well. You will see TWO thin connectors. Those are the STAR Buss Serial Data terminals.

Find the one with FOUR wires. Pop the TOP off of the connector and see if you resolve the issue.



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Old Jan 30, 2015 | 08:14 AM
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I 're 're 're checked all the grounds, the wires in the doors, disconnected the STAR connector with 4 wires( which only temporary solved the problem, it came back after a few days) I also disconnected both STAR connectors and jumpered just the pcm and bcm together and I still couldn't get it to start. I mailed out my pcm and bcm to a repair company to have them checked to see if either of those are my issue, they haven't got there yet though.
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When the problem happens or is happening, do not change ANYTHING and read the voltage on the "Hot In RUN and START" supplied fuse/s test points to chassis ground for the BCM and PCM .

See if you have full battery voltage on those fuss at/during that event.

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Old Jan 30, 2015 | 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill Curlee
When the problem happens or is happening, do not change ANYTHING and read the voltage on the "Hot In RUN and START" supplied fuse/s test points to chassis ground for the BCM and PCM .

See if you have full battery voltage on those fuss at/during that event.

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Well hopefully when I get my pcm/bcm back I'll be good to go. I can't do much now till I get them returned. But I did do that before and after I changed my ignition switch and it matched the battery voltage
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