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Old Aug 30, 2016 | 07:31 AM
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What's the best option to repair the threaded insert in the frame that the front upper control arm attaches to? One of mine is stripped and bolt just spins.
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use a pry bar and apply some pressure behind the head of the bolt as you are trying to loosen it and that might help get it out... once it's out you can try retapping the threads and getting new bolts, if that doesn't work you might have to go to the next size up tap and bolts
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Originally Posted by neutron82
use a pry bar and apply some pressure behind the head of the bolt as you are trying to loosen it and that might help get it out... once it's out you can try retapping the threads and getting new bolts, if that doesn't work you might have to go to the next size up tap and bolts
Bolt is out its just the insert that's stripped. I will try tapping with next size up
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Originally Posted by turboffr
Bolt is out its just the insert that's stripped. I will try tapping with next size up
Just make sure when going the next size up that the larger bolt will fit through the opening in the control arm
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Just make sure when going the next size up that the larger bolt will fit through the opening in the control arm
Agreed. I will try an 11mm x 1.5
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Agreed. I will try an 11mm x 1.5
So I was going to tap the hole for a 7/16 bolt but it's too wide to fit through the control arm. What are my other options? Can a heli coil be used, or do I need to drill the insert out and put a new insert in? Hoping someone who's had this issue can share what they did to fix it.
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Please take a picture of the damaged insert..

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Please take a picture of the damaged insert.. Bill
All I have right now for a picture and it's not very good. Will get a better one tonight. I did try a new bolt from the GM dealer last night and same thing. The threads are there, just useless.

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1. Drill the control arm to fit the larger bolt.
2. find a way to put a nut behind it.
3. Helicoil
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That's a clinch nut or Rivet Nut. It uses what looks like Big POP RIVIT GUN to install it. You can find them at Harbor freight or on line. Maybe get the gun and some clinch nuts and drill that one out and pop in another one OR try to reinstall that one. Insert the tool and recompress it..

Another option, find someone with a portable welder and put a spot weld on a couple spots on the outer edge. Then just file it smooth again.

I would get the tool and see if you can recompress the one that's already in there.

Here is a great vid you can see just how it works:


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Helicoil is junk, use a Timesert.
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Originally Posted by Bill Curlee
That's a clinch nut or Rivet Nut. It uses what looks like Big POP RIVIT GUN to install it. You can find them at Harbor freight or on line. Maybe get the gun and some clinch nuts and drill that one out and pop in another one OR try to reinstall that one. Insert the tool and recompress it..

Another option, find someone with a portable welder and put a spot weld on a couple spots on the outer edge. Then just file it smooth again.

I would get the tool and see if you can recompress the one that's already in there.

Here is a great vid you can see just how it works:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7yIqKnLGPc

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Do they make a pop rivet nut large enough for what he needs? I couldn't find it.

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Weld and rethread sounds like the best idea.
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Do they make a pop rivet nut large enough for what he needs? I couldn't find it.
Yes I ordered some m10x1.5 rivnuts and also have helicoils. May try helicoil first and if that doesn't work, drill out the insert and go with the rivnut. I've searched this issue and seems some have used heli coils with success. Will post up once I tackle the fix.
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Drill and tap,,,,,,,,,,,, Insert a helicoil,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, BOTH are BAD ideas. Examine how thick your frame is....... Its NOT very thick. Its basically a hydroformed piece of pipe.

When you put in a helicoil or try to thread that frame metal, you are concentrating a LOT of frame member (A ARM ) stress on two or three threads in that hole. That's why GM used a clinch nut / nut rivet.

If tapping a hole in the frame was adequate, I'm positive GM would have gone that route for all of the bolt on frame components holes.
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Originally Posted by Bill Curlee
Drill and tap,,,,,,,,,,,, Insert a helicoil,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, BOTH are BAD ideas. Examine how thick your frame is....... Its NOT very thick. Its basically a hydroformed piece of pipe.

When you put in a helicoil or try to thread that frame metal, you are concentrating a LOT of frame member (A ARM ) stress on two or three threads in that hole. That's why GM used a clinch nut / nut rivet.

If tapping a hole in the frame was adequate, I'm positive GM would have gone that route for all of the bolt on frame components holes.




A number of years ago, I had to remove and replace a damaged "rivnut" that was used to attach a sway bar clamp.....not on a Corvette, however. Yes, the tool is like an oversized pop rivet gun.
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Originally Posted by turboffr
Yes I ordered some m10x1.5 rivnuts and also have helicoils. May try helicoil first and if that doesn't work, drill out the insert and go with the rivnut. I've searched this issue and seems some have used heli coils with success. Will post up once I tackle the fix.
Can you take pictures after you use the Rivnut and also a link to which rivet gun you go with? I had never heard of a rivnut till this thread, sounds like I have a new tool to go out and grab for a just in case moment.
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I used a helicoil and it worked perfect. The insert that was in the frame was almost the size of the tap for the helicoil. The helicoil is not sitting in the frame, it essentially rethread the insert. Piece of cake and torque to spec no problem.


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Originally Posted by turboffr
I used a helicoil and it worked perfect. The insert that was in the frame was almost the size of the tap for the helicoil. The helicoil is not sitting in the frame, it essentially rethread the insert. Piece of cake and torque to spec no problem.


Nice What size tap and bolt ?
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Drill was 23/64 and the tap was for m10x1.5 thread which came with the helicoil kit I bought. The bolt was the stock control arm bolt m10x1.5x40mm
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