I would have a heart attack on the spot if my dealer gave me a price inflated $5 pin for nothing, its too bad.

How did the silicon work? You said you were going with the Black permatex.. Just curious.

Thanks

 

It's been raining here all day. I'll mess with it tomorrow or Monday.

 

Tom,

I'm surprised you missed the whole discussion of the Hurst and the stock **** that I started in late July. In short, I did EVERYTHING to the stock ****, including tightening it down without the key, etc etc etc etc etc. It's no use....the plastic threads have a loose tolerance on the shifter threads and no amount of tightening will solve it, because "tight" means you've bottomed the threads of the stick against the top of the ****. It will still rattle, and you can't stop it. You can hammer the key in with a sledge if you want to, but the **** will still rattle. It's not the key, it's the ****, trust me.

Solution? Get an MGW Gripper **** for $45. Perfection!!!! Go to mgwltd.com and experience silence. AND flawless shifting. The Hurst is a fine piece, but it needs something other than the stock ****. This is a pity, as I prefer the looks of that ****. But, the Gripper is an excellent piece machined aluminum, and will solve the problem.


And I also bought a few spare demon keys for $5.26, before I concluded that the **** will forever rattle on a Hurst.



[Modified by tracy, 1:01 AM 9/22/2002]

 

Hi Tom,

Same deal here.
Mine is still in the car, because I love the shifts, but it is a noisy chattering SOB.

 

Thanks. Very informative post. I guess I should have done a search! :bb

Well, hopefully it won't take long to get an aftermarket shifter delivered!

 

It looks like I will be ordering one of the MGW models. I like the ball shaped one, but the pistol grip is pretty good looking too. Do you still need the demon key deal with those? I didn't know if some aftermarket ***** are mounted solely by screwing it down. Some of those billet ***** look like a solid piece of metal???

MGW appears to be quite popular, they make their own ***** and this must account for pricing, $45=cheap in my book if they are as good as people are saying. I don't doubt your accounts.

One last note, the Hurst shifter is a great product. I have not tried the stock **** yet, still waiting to install dynamat, so I can't say mine would rattle or not. The only thing I am "observing" above and beyond the phenominal improvements, crisper/exact shifts is there is no doubt in my mind that there is more noise associated with it. Some are saying "no noise, no rattle, perfect". I think the dynamat will reduce much of the noise/heat and for the $10 or so (maybe you can get it cheaper) I don't see why you wouldn't put it in there. My Corvette Fever issue I used in tandom for the install with Patches guide even states at the end of the article something like "their are tradoffs to aftermarket shifters, a little more noise(not rattle), additional heat, but for the most part all the shifters they tested were well worth the those minor changes as compared to stock". I recommend the product for anyone looking to improve their performance in the shifting department.

Funny, I have a Hurst in my 63'. Yesterday I was driving it around but couldn't here any noise associated with the shifter, all I could hear were the side pipes, the air, etc... So if the aftermarket shift **** doesn't do the trick on the C5 then sidepipes will :lol: . Either way :cheers:

 

Tracy,

Great thread on the Hurst from back in July/Aug you guided us to. Looks like it isn't worth the hassle of putting the stocker **** on. Also your settings appear to be the way I will go. I am witht he lighter outer spring and think I will put the lighter inner as well.

If I did not read this forum and get the chance to pour through all the feedback on various mod items, well...... Thanks to everyone and again to Tom for getting this thread going.

 

Not sure why your having bad luck with yours. Mine went in easily, I did loosen up the springs that came already installed in it, its tight, precise. I personally did not have any noise whatsoever, no engine, vibration, even my stock **** went back on and no noise from it either. Im sure if you play with it some you will elliminate the noise. IMO its a great mod. Good Luck :seeya

 

All,

The MGW **** does not use the demon key. Once you screw the MGW down to where you like it and get the shift pattern properly aligned, you tighten down a seriously beefy setscrew (allen key is included with ****!) to lock the **** to the stick. The setscrew is in the 12 o'clock position, and can't be seen. The MGW has a lot of threads inside it, allowing about 1 1/2 inches of height adustment, but of course, you'll want to screw that baby down LOW!!

To briefly sum up my recommended spring settings (after much experimentation), I used the soft inner and outer springs on both sides, turned the left screw-plug down 2 full turns and the right plug 3 full turns. This makes for a foolproof 2-3 shift AND it helps the shift into reverse. With these settings I can "place" the shifter into reverse instead of *slapping* it into reverse as I had to do with my Kirban in my 2000 FRC.

I have the stop bolts set to "just touch" the stick when you're pressing it very hard hard into 2nd and 3rd. I know, I know....the stops aren't needed, toss them out, blah blah blah. But I like 'em and use 'em. No worrys, no rattles.

There has been some discussion that the Z06 MN12 tranny might make for more rattle than the MN6 due to straighter cuts of the gear teeth. Don't know if this is true, but it's possible. Ever hear an M22 "Rock Crusher" compared to the plain jane M20/M21 trannies? RRRRrrrrrrrrrrr........


[Modified by tracy, 11:49 AM 9/22/2002]

 

And another thing you guys might have missed. After turning the inner ring on the rubber close-out boot *inside out* (as described in the Hurst instructions) take half a tennis ball, punch a hole in it and force it down over the stick, right down to the boot!! This will tend to seal up that noise hole a little bit yet still allow the shifter free movement. I'm not sure I would want a ton of dynomat stuffed underneath the console/shifter boot to get in the way.

 

Got it Tracy. I ordered my silver gripper or ripper, whatever, from MGW early today. The Hurst did well today in a nice 100 mile cruise and this is without a shift ****. I drove with a hefty leather work glove to not tear up the hand. Only till the MGW comes in and dynamat tommorow.

I would not recommend a cruise like this but I had already pomised (long time ago) friends they could drive one of the cars today and rather than having them strap the unattractive work glove on I had them drive the 63'.

Anyways, the Hurst is more likeable as i drive with it.


[Modified by thegypsie, 5:18 AM 9/23/2002]

 

Yeah, it's amazing how quiet the Hurst is with no **** at all. I did the same thing in the days before my MGW came in. Once I got on the highway with less shifting ahead of me, I'd unscrew the stock **** to retain my sanity. I had a little piece of folded cloth in my hand to protect it from the shifter threads!!

 

No problems at all with mine...no vibration and no rattles. Yes, I tore up a washcloth and used it to muffle the sound and it did a good job. I put the stock **** back on and no problems but ended up getting a different **** to help reduce the effort of shifting. I used both softer springs. Now after a few thousand miles, it has loosened up and is great.

I've read about these complaints, but again, I've had absolutely no problems and would recommend it to anyone.

 

I tried putting permatex on the threads and a brand new demon key on last night. No luck and is it going to be hard to remove I bet!!! :)

Oh well, I have a gripper on order and hope it will cure my rattles. Thanks

 

Thanks Tom for the permatex update. I didn't even bother putting the stocker on like I said before, with my luck :eek: .

I ordered the gripper too, looks good and price is right. I hope it solves your rattles, etc...

 

Thanks,

I've got a gripper (same concept, not quite as pretty, not quite as pricey) on the way and I will post my results.

I'm hopeful since your stocker rattled and the new one doesn't.

I know its possible since the shifter doesn't rattle with NO **** installed.

 

Just got back from an appointment and the gripper was at the door - excellent service. I ordered it online Sun Night.

Yanked the old **** (the permatex hadn't set yet - all gooey - fun!) and cleaned the threads. Installed the gripper.

It still rattles - but not as bad as before. I'm going to live with it for a while and see if I can stand it or not long term.

Don't know what to make of it - maybe I have a vibration in the drivetrain or maybe I got a bum shifter.

I lean toward the vibration theory. Who knows? Mine rattles though.

 

Damn that stinks. Everything is tolerable with no **** but once the **** is on you get the rattle, this is unusual. I think I remember a post that a Hurst was returned because no matter what the **** rattled and a new shifter was shipped out. The rattle must be present or associated with the **** only. If there is a rattle prior to installing the **** I guess they are saying it must be due to improper install and not exchanging the shifter.

I don't think I could live with a little rattle and I only put 4-6000 or so miles on a year. Rattles and squeaks seem tolerable or you try to convince yourself they aren't too bad but that wears thin with me. There are too many positive posts we have read about the Hurst to accept the rattle after all your attempts at a solution.

Request an exchange?


[Modified by thegypsie, 8:27 PM 9/24/2002]

 

I'm going to give it a few days, but that might be an idea. I can get rid of the rattle by pulling the handle toward my leg.

It is much less now with the gripper ****.

With the stock handle, you could hear it over the radio. With the gripper, you have to turn the radio off to hear it.

If I was completely single that wouldn't be such a problem, but with a g/f sometimes you have to turn down the radio and pretend to listen. ;)

 

Tom,

Sorry to hear that the MGW rattled some.......or, allowed the shifter to rattle, since that **** can't actually rattle, itself. I know that i highly recommended the item to you and others (but sorry, I can't offer a money back guarantee!! :nonod: )

In my case, the MGW solved 99 percent of the problem. Sometimes I still do get a tiny bit of a buzz in 2nd, but I know it's coming from deep in the shifter, not the ****.

Also--I understand that the MOMO ***** are NOT like the MGW........they come with several insertable thread pieces that are used depending upon the application, so that their **** packages are "universal". I don't like "universal" anything, and I sure don't like inserts. More stuff to rattle! :smash: :smash: :smash: