How to: Flex Fuel on C5
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Last digit of the OS is different between the GTO and 04 C5 file. -604 won't work on the corvette.
This is EFILive format, but this file claims to have the table definition to enable lean cruise on the -603 OS. No idea if it actually works or not.
https://forum.efilive.com/showthread...X-for-12587603
I think lean cruise is a little dubious on a car that doesn't have a wideband but that's just me.
This is EFILive format, but this file claims to have the table definition to enable lean cruise on the -603 OS. No idea if it actually works or not.
https://forum.efilive.com/showthread...X-for-12587603
I think lean cruise is a little dubious on a car that doesn't have a wideband but that's just me.
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Hey guys, a bit of an update. I've kinda migrated over to HP tuners over the past year or so. So I have a new zip in the first post with FF enabled files for Base A4, Base M6 and Z06 M6.
Also included a much more complete XDF for use with hptuners, to include tables like cranking fuel, fuel impact factor, evaporation time and stomp compensation. Plus all the FF stuff of course.
In my example files, I put reasonable values in all of these tables, but if you have user defined parameters, feel free to take a look and fine tune further.
Many of those tables are defined in EFI Live but not hp tuners. Also I discovered today that HPtuners removed the master EGR enable/disable switch... thinking about going back to EFI Live primary but not decided yet!
EGR switch is also in the xdf....
Also included a much more complete XDF for use with hptuners, to include tables like cranking fuel, fuel impact factor, evaporation time and stomp compensation. Plus all the FF stuff of course.
In my example files, I put reasonable values in all of these tables, but if you have user defined parameters, feel free to take a look and fine tune further.
Many of those tables are defined in EFI Live but not hp tuners. Also I discovered today that HPtuners removed the master EGR enable/disable switch... thinking about going back to EFI Live primary but not decided yet!
EGR switch is also in the xdf....
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aaronc7, big thanks for doing this. I swapped my '99 to an '04 Silverado PCM and enabled flexfuel using your XDFs earlier this summer. Looking forward to adding the new stuff in the spring. Shame on HPT for abandoning these older PCMs even though they're still extremely popular.
Thanks also to NSFW for making PCM Hammer, which allowed me to load the C5 -603 OS and change the VIN before reading the tune and licensing it with HP Tuners. Saved me from having to buy credits for the Silverado OS that I was going to overwrite anyway, and allowed me to create a VIN/OS combo that HPT would never allow.
Thanks also to NSFW for making PCM Hammer, which allowed me to load the C5 -603 OS and change the VIN before reading the tune and licensing it with HP Tuners. Saved me from having to buy credits for the Silverado OS that I was going to overwrite anyway, and allowed me to create a VIN/OS combo that HPT would never allow.
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aaronc7, big thanks for doing this. I swapped my '99 to an '04 Silverado PCM and enabled flexfuel using your XDFs earlier this summer. Looking forward to adding the new stuff in the spring. Shame on HPT for abandoning these older PCMs even though they're still extremely popular.
Thanks also to NSFW for making PCM Hammer, which allowed me to load the C5 -603 OS and change the VIN before reading the tune and licensing it with HP Tuners. Saved me from having to buy credits for the Silverado OS that I was going to overwrite anyway, and allowed me to create a VIN/OS combo that HPT would never allow.
Thanks also to NSFW for making PCM Hammer, which allowed me to load the C5 -603 OS and change the VIN before reading the tune and licensing it with HP Tuners. Saved me from having to buy credits for the Silverado OS that I was going to overwrite anyway, and allowed me to create a VIN/OS combo that HPT would never allow.
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Hmm, yeah probably just a silly thing about how HPT does their licensing which is based off the controller serial I believe. When I first made this post I was still primarily using EFILive which doesnt have this issue. PM me and I'll activate it on your file if you'd like. Otherwise you'll probably need to buy user defined parameters so you can open the XDFs posted.
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Is all of this info still valid? I'm beginning my journey on getting an early 03 C5Z (with early style fuel system) converted to E85.
Cliff notes:
My car has a P01 ECU. Source a P59 ECU
Need to re-pin my red harness and modify it or buy green connector
Wire in the sensor to +12/Ground/ECU
Use a 04 C5Z OS and simply enable E85? (with associated value changes) Or do the 04Z OS with spliced in 04 Tahoe FF segments?
This could be the latest most concise info in one place!
Cliff notes:
My car has a P01 ECU. Source a P59 ECU
Need to re-pin my red harness and modify it or buy green connector
Wire in the sensor to +12/Ground/ECU
Use a 04 C5Z OS and simply enable E85? (with associated value changes) Or do the 04Z OS with spliced in 04 Tahoe FF segments?
This could be the latest most concise info in one place!
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Is all of this info still valid? I'm beginning my journey on getting an early 03 C5Z (with early style fuel system) converted to E85.
Cliff notes:
My car has a P01 ECU. Source a P59 ECU
Need to re-pin my red harness and modify it or buy green connector
Wire in the sensor to +12/Ground/ECU
Use a 04 C5Z OS and simply enable E85? (with associated value changes) Or do the 04Z OS with spliced in 04 Tahoe FF segments?
This could be the latest most concise info in one place!
Cliff notes:
My car has a P01 ECU. Source a P59 ECU
Need to re-pin my red harness and modify it or buy green connector
Wire in the sensor to +12/Ground/ECU
Use a 04 C5Z OS and simply enable E85? (with associated value changes) Or do the 04Z OS with spliced in 04 Tahoe FF segments?
This could be the latest most concise info in one place!
If you need help getting flex fuel activated on the tune just shoot me a message, be happy to help.
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Anything particular to look for when sourcing a P59 ECU? Does it matter what car/truck it comes from...where said car/truck was E85 capable or not?
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Edit: disregard, this is different from the other thread Smitty bumped. Gonna give this whole thing a reread.
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And yeah, there's a slew of flex fuel related tables that aren't defined in HPT or EFI and those are zeroed out basically in the stock 04 C5Z tune. So it's just a matter of populating those (and a few others like the E content vs stoich table) to get flex fuel working.
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Get the part / service number in the first post. I believe there's another couple PN that may work. I can't recall the details, but a few websites out there cover which PCM PNs support various HW features (like electronic throttle) etc.
I have both EFI and HPT now. The XDF will work with HPT but you need to purchase "user defined parameter" access. There is also a CAX file in the original post which will work with EFILive. Will have to convert it to a CAX8 I think if you're using V8 software. Honestly I prefer EFILive and think the definition files are a bit better too, on these cars.
And yeah, there's a slew of flex fuel related tables that aren't defined in HPT or EFI and those are zeroed out basically in the stock 04 C5Z tune. So it's just a matter of populating those (and a few others like the E content vs stoich table) to get flex fuel working.
I have both EFI and HPT now. The XDF will work with HPT but you need to purchase "user defined parameter" access. There is also a CAX file in the original post which will work with EFILive. Will have to convert it to a CAX8 I think if you're using V8 software. Honestly I prefer EFILive and think the definition files are a bit better too, on these cars.
And yeah, there's a slew of flex fuel related tables that aren't defined in HPT or EFI and those are zeroed out basically in the stock 04 C5Z tune. So it's just a matter of populating those (and a few others like the E content vs stoich table) to get flex fuel working.
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I knew I should have gone back and re-reread that first post last night. I see now it was all wrapped up in the zip file, one stop shopping. Mine came to me with 12592425, based on what you were saying about the difference between the 2 OSs, I could likely rename that .cax and it would work for my OS? I searched the cax text file for the OS number and didn't see it embedded in there. I also have a completely untainted version of 12592425 if you like. It sounded like you already had one, but you didn't have an EFILive tune in there ready to go with the FF already enabled. This and lean cruise are the sorts of things I'd prefer to have in place before slamming a COS on top. BTW, as it pertains to the P01, the lean burn stuff is even easier than this to get working.
Let me know if you need any help getting your file FF enabled, I can send you a file or two to diff.