Tire Performance
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From: Wilmington NC
Re: Tire Performance (HeyLookAtMe)
Its that time of the year most of us regret. Its time to replace my tires but before I do so, I need some help.
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From: San Clemente CA
Re: Tire Performance (HeyLookAtMe)
Hi,
I went from RunFlats to S03's on my coupe. The ride improved by reducing the harshness and the noise from the tires went down drastically. The steering response is a little slower because the tires are not as stiff. They seem to be stickier but I have no data to back that up. I will probably try a different tire next time just to get a bigger database.
Good luck,
Steve
:seeya
[Modified by SNW Vette, 10:45 PM 8/15/2003]
I went from RunFlats to S03's on my coupe. The ride improved by reducing the harshness and the noise from the tires went down drastically. The steering response is a little slower because the tires are not as stiff. They seem to be stickier but I have no data to back that up. I will probably try a different tire next time just to get a bigger database.
Good luck,
Steve
:seeya
[Modified by SNW Vette, 10:45 PM 8/15/2003]
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From: Calera AL
Re: Tire Performance (HeyLookAtMe)
I am running the Kuhmo Ecsta MX and love it. I got the z06 wheels and
run 275 front and 295 rear and got a 1.85 60' time on them. They stick like
glue. Compared to the 2.20's on the run flats. I have an automatic and 3.15 gears. And can flash the converter off the line and it chirps a little then blasts off. Its great.
run 275 front and 295 rear and got a 1.85 60' time on them. They stick like
glue. Compared to the 2.20's on the run flats. I have an automatic and 3.15 gears. And can flash the converter off the line and it chirps a little then blasts off. Its great.
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From: San Bruno Ca
Re: Tire Performance (HeyLookAtMe)
The GY DS-D3s are outstanding tires on the dry, but even better than the rest on wet! Read up them at the Tire rack which sells every tire you have listed and the GS-D3s are at the very top rated in the survey. :smash:
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Re: Tire Performance (Scubanme)
The GY DS-D3s are outstanding tires on the dry, but even better than the rest on wet! Read up them at the Tire rack which sells every tire you have listed and the GS-D3s are at the very top rated in the survey. :smash:
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Re: Tire Performance (Richin Chicago)
The GY DS-D3s are outstanding tires on the dry, but even better than the rest on wet! Read up them at the Tire rack which sells every tire you have listed and the GS-D3s are at the very top rated in the survey. :smash:
:confused: :confused: I don't understand? Are you referencing the survey by drivers? That is not a comparison but just the opinion of those that own them?
:confused: :confused: I don't understand? Are you referencing the survey by drivers? That is not a comparison but just the opinion of those that own them?
However, Tire Rack (under Tire Test Results) also test the tires on their own track, and their testing does show the Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3s to have better braking, slalom times, cornering, performance drive drive data, and lap times under wet conditions when tested against; Bridgestone SO-3 Pole Positions, and Michelin Pilot Sports. Under dry conditions, they are pretty close. However, under wet conditions mentioned (except for braking where Michelin was very close), the GS-D3 is shown to be extremely good when compared to the other three.
For the charts: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...d3_charts.html
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Re: Tire Performance (WhiteC5Vette)
The GY DS-D3s are outstanding tires on the dry, but even better than the rest on wet! Read up them at the Tire rack which sells every tire you have listed and the GS-D3s are at the very top rated in the survey. :smash:
:confused: :confused: I don't understand? Are you referencing the survey by drivers? That is not a comparison but just the opinion of those that own them?
The survey results from Tire Rack are based upon real life experiences by drivers using the tires they survey. This is a good baseline for how the tire handles, and sometimes the survey text will explain what tires were used in the past. This is a good way to compare different tires by information obtained by real life drivers. When comparing them against other tires, in other surveys, the information should be a good baseline to use. (Yes, some over-rate, some under-rate, but it should equalize between tires.)
However, Tire Rack (under Tire Test Results) also test the tires on their own track, and their testing does show the Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3s to have better braking, slalom times, cornering, performance drive drive data, and lap times under wet conditions when tested against; Bridgestone SO-3 Pole Positions, and Michelin Pilot Sports. Under dry conditions, they are pretty close. However, under wet conditions mentioned (except for braking where Michelin was very close), the GS-D3 is shown to be extremely good when compared to the other three.
For the charts: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...d3_charts.html
:confused: :confused: I don't understand? Are you referencing the survey by drivers? That is not a comparison but just the opinion of those that own them?
The survey results from Tire Rack are based upon real life experiences by drivers using the tires they survey. This is a good baseline for how the tire handles, and sometimes the survey text will explain what tires were used in the past. This is a good way to compare different tires by information obtained by real life drivers. When comparing them against other tires, in other surveys, the information should be a good baseline to use. (Yes, some over-rate, some under-rate, but it should equalize between tires.)
However, Tire Rack (under Tire Test Results) also test the tires on their own track, and their testing does show the Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3s to have better braking, slalom times, cornering, performance drive drive data, and lap times under wet conditions when tested against; Bridgestone SO-3 Pole Positions, and Michelin Pilot Sports. Under dry conditions, they are pretty close. However, under wet conditions mentioned (except for braking where Michelin was very close), the GS-D3 is shown to be extremely good when compared to the other three.
For the charts: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...d3_charts.html
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/max_perf_charts.jsp
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From: SE Idaho
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Re: Tire Performance (Richin Chicago)
"How about the Kumhos for $250 less?"
From comparing the data, it is evident they performed as a set of tires that are $250.00 less.
Braking Wet: Kumho 93.2 feet, GY 87.8 ft. Lower is better)
Braking Dry: The same.
Slalom Time Wet: Kumhos not tested (Why?)
Slalom Time Dry: Kumho 4.97 seconds, GY 4.78 seconds (Lower is better)
Average G Force Wet: Kumho not tested (Why?)
Average G Force Dry: Kumho 0.95, GY 0.96 (Higher is better)
Lap time wet: Kumho 33.90, GY 31.97 (Lower is better)
Lap time dry: Kumho 31.54, GY 31.16 (Lower is better)
Combined Road and Track: Kumho 7.60, GY 7.94 (Higher is better)
Under performance drive data for wet GY excelled over Kumho
For a dry track, Kumho took three out of five.
Under real world ratings, GY excelled.
So, yes, the Kumhos are a good deal for $250.00 less per set. However, the GY do have a higher wear rating (GY 280 versus Kumho 220).
Kumhos make a great tire, I just believe from what I have read on many websites, other than Tire Rack, that Goodyears are $250.00 better. But I will find out starting Saturday. To be honest, Kumhos came in second in my research, and yes, the $250.00 looked really good. However, since I will be running w/out runflats; hopefully, I have picked the best.
From comparing the data, it is evident they performed as a set of tires that are $250.00 less.
Braking Wet: Kumho 93.2 feet, GY 87.8 ft. Lower is better)
Braking Dry: The same.
Slalom Time Wet: Kumhos not tested (Why?)
Slalom Time Dry: Kumho 4.97 seconds, GY 4.78 seconds (Lower is better)
Average G Force Wet: Kumho not tested (Why?)
Average G Force Dry: Kumho 0.95, GY 0.96 (Higher is better)
Lap time wet: Kumho 33.90, GY 31.97 (Lower is better)
Lap time dry: Kumho 31.54, GY 31.16 (Lower is better)
Combined Road and Track: Kumho 7.60, GY 7.94 (Higher is better)
Under performance drive data for wet GY excelled over Kumho
For a dry track, Kumho took three out of five.
Under real world ratings, GY excelled.
So, yes, the Kumhos are a good deal for $250.00 less per set. However, the GY do have a higher wear rating (GY 280 versus Kumho 220).
Kumhos make a great tire, I just believe from what I have read on many websites, other than Tire Rack, that Goodyears are $250.00 better. But I will find out starting Saturday. To be honest, Kumhos came in second in my research, and yes, the $250.00 looked really good. However, since I will be running w/out runflats; hopefully, I have picked the best.
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From: Pine Bluff AR
Re: Tire Performance (HeyLookAtMe)
OK, I'm new to the forum and the pleasures of owning a C5. I have a pewter 98 A4 Coupe purchased two months ago. My wife is sick of me talking about it every day and I'mm putting up all my spare money for planned mods. The car came with Toyo Proxes that seem to perform and handle great. They are sticky and do well in the rain. I've haven't noticed much talk at all about them so am I the only one that has them or is this not a good choice?
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Re: Tire Performance (WhiteC5Vette)
"How about the Kumhos for $250 less?"
From comparing the data, it is evident they performed as a set of tires that are $250.00 less.
Braking Wet: Kumho 93.2 feet, GY 87.8 ft. Lower is better)
Braking Dry: The same.
Slalom Time Wet: Kumhos not tested (Why?)
Slalom Time Dry: Kumho 4.97 seconds, GY 4.78 seconds (Lower is better)
Average G Force Wet: Kumho not tested (Why?)
Average G Force Dry: Kumho 0.95, GY 0.96 (Higher is better)
Lap time wet: Kumho 33.90, GY 31.97 (Lower is better)
Lap time dry: Kumho 31.54, GY 31.16 (Lower is better)
Combined Road and Track: Kumho 7.60, GY 7.94 (Higher is better)
Under performance drive data for wet GY excelled over Kumho
For a dry track, Kumho took three out of five.
Under real world ratings, GY excelled.
So, yes, the Kumhos are a good deal for $250.00 less per set. However, the GY do have a higher wear rating (GY 280 versus Kumho 220).
Kumhos make a great tire, I just believe from what I have read on many websites, other than Tire Rack, that Goodyears are $250.00 better. But I will find out starting Saturday. To be honest, Kumhos came in second in my research, and yes, the $250.00 looked really good. However, since I will be running w/out runflats; hopefully, I have picked the best.
From comparing the data, it is evident they performed as a set of tires that are $250.00 less.
Braking Wet: Kumho 93.2 feet, GY 87.8 ft. Lower is better)
Braking Dry: The same.
Slalom Time Wet: Kumhos not tested (Why?)
Slalom Time Dry: Kumho 4.97 seconds, GY 4.78 seconds (Lower is better)
Average G Force Wet: Kumho not tested (Why?)
Average G Force Dry: Kumho 0.95, GY 0.96 (Higher is better)
Lap time wet: Kumho 33.90, GY 31.97 (Lower is better)
Lap time dry: Kumho 31.54, GY 31.16 (Lower is better)
Combined Road and Track: Kumho 7.60, GY 7.94 (Higher is better)
Under performance drive data for wet GY excelled over Kumho
For a dry track, Kumho took three out of five.
Under real world ratings, GY excelled.
So, yes, the Kumhos are a good deal for $250.00 less per set. However, the GY do have a higher wear rating (GY 280 versus Kumho 220).
Kumhos make a great tire, I just believe from what I have read on many websites, other than Tire Rack, that Goodyears are $250.00 better. But I will find out starting Saturday. To be honest, Kumhos came in second in my research, and yes, the $250.00 looked really good. However, since I will be running w/out runflats; hopefully, I have picked the best.
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From: Dublin CA
Re: Tire Performance (WhiteC5Vette)
"How about the Kumhos for $250 less?"
Thanks for making me look!
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Sizes....el=Pilot+Sport
Michelin Pilot Sport Max Performance 335/30ZR18
Blackwall OE Viper
Price: $165
Estimated Availability: In Stock
Coooool!!!!!
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Re: Tire Performance (WhiteC5Vette)
The GY DS-D3s are outstanding tires on the dry, but even better than the rest on wet! Read up them at the Tire rack which sells every tire you have listed and the GS-D3s are at the very top rated in the survey. :smash:
:confused: :confused: I don't understand? Are you referencing the survey by drivers? That is not a comparison but just the opinion of those that own them?
The survey results from Tire Rack are based upon real life experiences by drivers using the tires they survey. This is a good baseline for how the tire handles, and sometimes the survey text will explain what tires were used in the past. This is a good way to compare different tires by information obtained by real life drivers. When comparing them against other tires, in other surveys, the information should be a good baseline to use. (Yes, some over-rate, some under-rate, but it should equalize between tires.)
However, Tire Rack (under Tire Test Results) also test the tires on their own track, and their testing does show the Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3s to have better braking, slalom times, cornering, performance drive drive data, and lap times under wet conditions when tested against; Bridgestone SO-3 Pole Positions, and Michelin Pilot Sports. Under dry conditions, they are pretty close. However, under wet conditions mentioned (except for braking where Michelin was very close), the GS-D3 is shown to be extremely good when compared to the other three.
For the charts: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...d3_charts.html
:confused: :confused: I don't understand? Are you referencing the survey by drivers? That is not a comparison but just the opinion of those that own them?
The survey results from Tire Rack are based upon real life experiences by drivers using the tires they survey. This is a good baseline for how the tire handles, and sometimes the survey text will explain what tires were used in the past. This is a good way to compare different tires by information obtained by real life drivers. When comparing them against other tires, in other surveys, the information should be a good baseline to use. (Yes, some over-rate, some under-rate, but it should equalize between tires.)
However, Tire Rack (under Tire Test Results) also test the tires on their own track, and their testing does show the Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3s to have better braking, slalom times, cornering, performance drive drive data, and lap times under wet conditions when tested against; Bridgestone SO-3 Pole Positions, and Michelin Pilot Sports. Under dry conditions, they are pretty close. However, under wet conditions mentioned (except for braking where Michelin was very close), the GS-D3 is shown to be extremely good when compared to the other three.
For the charts: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...d3_charts.html
Remember too, that you can improve performance even more by getting Z06 wheels and appropriately-sized tires. Doing so will make a coupe handle right up there with a Z06 (according to a recent Car & Driver test of tires for C5).
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Re: Tire Performance (Dave68)
The GY DS-D3s are outstanding tires on the dry, but even better than the rest on wet! Read up them at the Tire rack which sells every tire you have listed and the GS-D3s are at the very top rated in the survey. :smash:
:confused: :confused: I don't understand? Are you referencing the survey by drivers? That is not a comparison but just the opinion of those that own them?
The survey results from Tire Rack are based upon real life experiences by drivers using the tires they survey. This is a good baseline for how the tire handles, and sometimes the survey text will explain what tires were used in the past. This is a good way to compare different tires by information obtained by real life drivers. When comparing them against other tires, in other surveys, the information should be a good baseline to use. (Yes, some over-rate, some under-rate, but it should equalize between tires.)
However, Tire Rack (under Tire Test Results) also test the tires on their own track, and their testing does show the Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3s to have better braking, slalom times, cornering, performance drive drive data, and lap times under wet conditions when tested against; Bridgestone SO-3 Pole Positions, and Michelin Pilot Sports. Under dry conditions, they are pretty close. However, under wet conditions mentioned (except for braking where Michelin was very close), the GS-D3 is shown to be extremely good when compared to the other three.
For the charts: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...d3_charts.html
I'll have to agree with White - the title of this post isn't "which tire is the best deal for the money?", so I suggest we pick which tire is the best. The Goodyear is the latest and greatest, so if I were to buy today and want the best tires money can buy, I'd buy the Goodyears.
Remember too, that you can improve performance even more by getting Z06 wheels and appropriately-sized tires. Doing so will make a coupe handle right up there with a Z06 (according to a recent Car & Driver test of tires for C5).
:confused: :confused: I don't understand? Are you referencing the survey by drivers? That is not a comparison but just the opinion of those that own them?
The survey results from Tire Rack are based upon real life experiences by drivers using the tires they survey. This is a good baseline for how the tire handles, and sometimes the survey text will explain what tires were used in the past. This is a good way to compare different tires by information obtained by real life drivers. When comparing them against other tires, in other surveys, the information should be a good baseline to use. (Yes, some over-rate, some under-rate, but it should equalize between tires.)
However, Tire Rack (under Tire Test Results) also test the tires on their own track, and their testing does show the Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3s to have better braking, slalom times, cornering, performance drive drive data, and lap times under wet conditions when tested against; Bridgestone SO-3 Pole Positions, and Michelin Pilot Sports. Under dry conditions, they are pretty close. However, under wet conditions mentioned (except for braking where Michelin was very close), the GS-D3 is shown to be extremely good when compared to the other three.
For the charts: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...d3_charts.html
I'll have to agree with White - the title of this post isn't "which tire is the best deal for the money?", so I suggest we pick which tire is the best. The Goodyear is the latest and greatest, so if I were to buy today and want the best tires money can buy, I'd buy the Goodyears.
Remember too, that you can improve performance even more by getting Z06 wheels and appropriately-sized tires. Doing so will make a coupe handle right up there with a Z06 (according to a recent Car & Driver test of tires for C5).
I'm going to let this drop as so much of this is opinion and circumstance but I only brought up price as an added bonus. What I do feel pretty certain of is that is the Kumho MX, for me, is a better tire than the S03, and the S03 was right up there with the Goodyear. This is after driving both for a season of roadcourse and autocross. Again, a personal opinion, but one based on a year on 2 very high performance tires.
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From: Irvine CA
Re: Tire Performance (SNW Vette)
Hi,
I went from RunFlats to S03's on my coupe. The ride improved by reducing the harshness and the noise from the tires went down drastically. The steering response is a little slower because the tires not as stiff. They seem to be stickier but I have no data to back that up. I will probably try a different tire next time just to get a bigger database.
Good luck,
Steve
:seeya
I went from RunFlats to S03's on my coupe. The ride improved by reducing the harshness and the noise from the tires went down drastically. The steering response is a little slower because the tires not as stiff. They seem to be stickier but I have no data to back that up. I will probably try a different tire next time just to get a bigger database.
Good luck,
Steve
:seeya
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Re: Tire Performance (c5chris)
Seriously looked at the Toyo T1S tires, but problem was the price was higher than the Goodyears (could not find them offered via Internet), and they have so few dealers. That is another reason I picked the Goodyear, there are GY dealers throughout the USA/Canada. As for Bridgestones, they were not rated as good for the type of driving I do (for auto crossing they might be better), and they were more expensive. However, Bridgestones can be found almost anywhere in the US, similar to GY.
This thread has been beat to death, and it is evident, discussing different brands of tires is similar to discussing which truck is better; Chevy or Ford.
This thread has been beat to death, and it is evident, discussing different brands of tires is similar to discussing which truck is better; Chevy or Ford.
