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Old Sep 12, 2004 | 10:46 AM
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My favorite and most convenient gas station sold ExxonMobile 93 octane gasoline. Good stuff and no problems whatsoever.

The station just got sold and is now selling Sunoco 93 octane. Was driving the car yesterday and, near the end of the 1.5 hour round trip, the engine stalled at two different times while sitting at stop lights. Started right up again with no problem.

No fault lights, codes, etc.

This has never happened before. Ever.

Has anyone had a similar problem with Sunoco fuels? Hmmm, could it be something else?
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Old Sep 12, 2004 | 11:26 AM
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I use sunoco 93 all the time, my car runs perfect.
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Old Sep 12, 2004 | 11:43 AM
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I use Sunoco 93 in all my cars
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Old Sep 12, 2004 | 11:45 AM
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When ever I can fill up with Sunoco 93 I grab that chance. Car runs much better then BP or Amaco which use most of the time.

Wonder if your car just needs a few tank fulls to help ir clean out and change the fuels over?
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Old Sep 12, 2004 | 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ArmyVette
My favorite and most convenient gas station sold ExxonMobile 93 octane gasoline. Good stuff and no problems whatsoever.

The station just got sold and is now selling Sunoco 93 octane. Was driving the car yesterday and, near the end of the 1.5 hour round trip, the engine stalled at two different times while sitting at stop lights. Started right up again with no problem.

No fault lights, codes, etc.

This has never happened before. Ever.

Has anyone had a similar problem with Sunoco fuels? Hmmm, could it be something else?
Here in MI. we have 94 octane Sunoco so I filled up one day (usually I use 93 octane Mobil) on the way back to the car I noticed a small sticker on the pump that said "This fuel contains 10% ethynol".
Of course I contacted Sunoco because I had not seen this sticker on the pumps in another station in the same area.
They told me they all should have the stickers on them and sure enough later that week it appeared on the other stations pumps.
Now not being a chemist I did some research on this and found it takes roughly 300% more alcohol to produce the same BTU's as pure gasoline.
Since my FI engine was tuned with 93 octane Mobil, I have switched back with no ill effects.
But I have to wonder if using fuel with 10% ethynol may result in a lean condition at WOT?
Also I know from experience the rubber seals and hoses do not like any form of alcohol.
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Old Sep 12, 2004 | 09:13 PM
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I suspect it is not the gasolione per se, but, rather water in the gas. I had the same thing happen several years ago with a brand on the Ohio Turnpike. Two bottles of Drygas solved the problem.
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Old Sep 12, 2004 | 09:27 PM
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In Canada, Sunoco sell 94 octane which I use exclusively in my 04 vette. I have never had a problem with it, but it could be possible that there was a little water in the fuel you were sold?
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Old Sep 12, 2004 | 11:35 PM
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We have 94 Sunoco here in PA. I run it in my Vette, my 954RR, and used to run it in my Eclipse that ran 20lbs of boost. Never had a problem with it. We can also buy some 100+ at the local Sunoco. HOPEFULLY it was just the gas switch. Darroch Malone
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Old Sep 13, 2004 | 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by corvettebob1
Here in MI. we have 94 octane Sunoco so I filled up one day (usually I use 93 octane Mobil) on the way back to the car I noticed a small sticker on the pump that said "This fuel contains 10% ethynol".
Of course I contacted Sunoco because I had not seen this sticker on the pumps in another station in the same area.
They told me they all should have the stickers on them and sure enough later that week it appeared on the other stations pumps.
Now not being a chemist I did some research on this and found it takes roughly 300% more alcohol to produce the same BTU's as pure gasoline.
Since my FI engine was tuned with 93 octane Mobil, I have switched back with no ill effects.
But I have to wonder if using fuel with 10% ethynol may result in a lean condition at WOT?
Also I know from experience the rubber seals and hoses do not like any form of alcohol.
I doubt there is any of the "corn states" that you can find a pump without ethanol. We have had it, for at least 10 years. Cars run fine on it.

http://www.michigan.gov/mda/0%2C1607...75--%2C00.html
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Old Sep 13, 2004 | 01:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Richin Chicago
I doubt there is any of the "corn states" that you can find a pump without ethanol. We have had it, for at least 10 years. Cars run fine on it.

http://www.michigan.gov/mda/0%2C1607...75--%2C00.html
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Old Sep 13, 2004 | 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by FKING1
I suspect it is not the gasolione per se, but, rather water in the gas.
I guess that is possible though we haven't had a measureable rain in my neighborhood in a couple of weeks.

Drove it around yesterday (Sunday) for a bit then topped the tank off (about 7 gallons worth) and drove it for another 1/2 hour. No problems and no stalling.

Did notice that the car idles at about 550 rpm with the air conditioning running and at about 750 rpm with the A/C turned off.

Chalk it up to the gremlins that infest our Vettes.
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Old Sep 13, 2004 | 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ArmyVette
I guess that is possible though we haven't had a measureable rain in my neighborhood in a couple of weeks.
Don't mean to beat this to death, but when I had the water in gas problen, the car was fine with a full tank and the stalling happened as it got below 1/2. The Station must have had a contaminated load. You are right about Gremlins in our C5's. My key fob is a perfect example. LOL.
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