Automatic Vs Manual
Drifting
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From: Berkeley CA
Originally Posted by black783
Ok I'm ready to have stones thrown at me...and yes I'm a manual bigot. So I will say what is on the more polite folks mind. Autos are boring. How many truly sports cars have manual transmissions? Non clutch transmissons sure. How many put in it drive and leave it cars have won the Indy 500 and LeMans? I believe the number is at 0 and still counting. And yes my 80 year old mother, that I dearly love, can drive and auto.
I'm fine wtih Autos but please let's recognize there is a distinction and give due that when you want to race you better have the M6.
I'm fine wtih Autos but please let's recognize there is a distinction and give due that when you want to race you better have the M6.
Best of luck,
antoniopaolo
Burning Brakes
Joined: Sep 2004
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From: Salinas Ca
well...I'm am old dude but I seem to rememer, back in the SIXTIES!!, a fellow named Jim Hall was handing euro trash a thrashing with his automatics!
Oh....and then theres those pesky F1 cars that got their automatic trannys banned....now they can use only SEMI - automatics.
Oh....and puhleeezzz...when was the last time you saw a top fueler use a clutch during a "run"?
er...make that "Funny Cars" also...
opps....forgot "Pro-Stock"...........
huh oh....forgot NASCAR not using clutches when and if they shift after leaving the pits.....
opps #2....Why is it all you "stickers" are always asking when the six speed AUTOMATIC is coming out? You guys would kill for paddle shifters....come on...admit it!
OK OK - ino ino what I'm basically describing are standard trannys with VERY strong gears and sychro rings(dogs)...but nevertheless the F1 cars were definately full auto with hydralic actuation.
I can hit the "limiter" in all gears in my auto; well not in 4th YET!
All your precious six speeds are is four speeds with dual over drives.
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BUT...sigh.....I really do miss stirring a box....
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Oh....and then theres those pesky F1 cars that got their automatic trannys banned....now they can use only SEMI - automatics.
Oh....and puhleeezzz...when was the last time you saw a top fueler use a clutch during a "run"?
er...make that "Funny Cars" also...
opps....forgot "Pro-Stock"...........
huh oh....forgot NASCAR not using clutches when and if they shift after leaving the pits.....
opps #2....Why is it all you "stickers" are always asking when the six speed AUTOMATIC is coming out? You guys would kill for paddle shifters....come on...admit it!
OK OK - ino ino what I'm basically describing are standard trannys with VERY strong gears and sychro rings(dogs)...but nevertheless the F1 cars were definately full auto with hydralic actuation.
I can hit the "limiter" in all gears in my auto; well not in 4th YET!
All your precious six speeds are is four speeds with dual over drives.
.
.
.
.
BUT...sigh.....I really do miss stirring a box....
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Drifting
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 1,777
Likes: 0
From: Berkeley CA
Originally Posted by natejohn
well...I'm am old dude but I seem to rememer, back in the SIXTIES!!, a fellow named Jim Hall was handing euro trash a thrashing with his automatics!
Oh....and then theres those pesky F1 cars that got their automatic trannys banned....now they can use only SEMI - automatics.
Oh....and puhleeezzz...when was the last time you saw a top fueler use a clutch during a "run"?
er...make that "Funny Cars" also...
opps....forgot "Pro-Stock"...........
huh oh....forgot NASCAR not using clutches when and if they shift after leaving the pits.....
opps #2....Why is it all you "stickers" are always asking when the six speed AUTOMATIC is coming out? You guys would kill for paddle shifters....come on...admit it!
OK OK - ino ino what I'm basically describing are standard trannys with VERY strong gears and sychro rings(dogs)...but nevertheless the F1 cars were definately full auto with hydralic actuation.
I can hit the "limiter" in all gears in my auto; well not in 4th YET!
All your precious six speeds are is four speeds with dual over drives.
.
.
.
.
BUT...sigh.....I really do miss stirring a box....
.
.
.
Oh....and then theres those pesky F1 cars that got their automatic trannys banned....now they can use only SEMI - automatics.
Oh....and puhleeezzz...when was the last time you saw a top fueler use a clutch during a "run"?
er...make that "Funny Cars" also...
opps....forgot "Pro-Stock"...........
huh oh....forgot NASCAR not using clutches when and if they shift after leaving the pits.....
opps #2....Why is it all you "stickers" are always asking when the six speed AUTOMATIC is coming out? You guys would kill for paddle shifters....come on...admit it!
OK OK - ino ino what I'm basically describing are standard trannys with VERY strong gears and sychro rings(dogs)...but nevertheless the F1 cars were definately full auto with hydralic actuation.
I can hit the "limiter" in all gears in my auto; well not in 4th YET!
All your precious six speeds are is four speeds with dual over drives.
.
.
.
.
BUT...sigh.....I really do miss stirring a box....
.
.
.
Melting Slicks
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From: Austin, Texas Codes 660, 9448, and 295660 work in the C6 navigation unit. No DVD playback yet.
Originally Posted by Prototype
and you don,t have to put it in reverse every time you turn it off !
Team Owner
Joined: Dec 2002
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From: San Francisco CA
I have to get used to driving an automatic from a manual
The autotrans is much smoother and easier on the drivetrain of car and passengers. It will outshift the manual for straight line shots but for driving canyons or curves definitely the manual is more fun and it seems you can push it further but there is more chance with a manual for you to screw or error like a misshift, grinding and more things that can be abused because the human decides when to shift and most times the auto knows and does shift faster than most manuals alot it depends on the driver but for the average driver on the street they are probably better off with an auto trans. People seem to abuse their manuals or go through clutches, syncros etc.
Melting Slicks
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From: n/a SC
Originally Posted by JFTaylor
It’s all in the gearing. 3:43 vs 3:15 rear plus much lower 1st gear with the 6 spd vs the Auto. 
a 3.45 geard c4 manual ='s a 2.59 geard auto and the auto with 3.07s is like having a 6sp with 3.73 or so.
and with c6's the 3.15 geard autos are like a manual would be with 3.73 ...say someone with a auto with 3.15s wanted to upgrade on gears they would probably go to 3.73 for a track car and a manual car would need to go to 4.10 to be a good track car, see what I mean?
look at other cars the manual will always be geard lower
if you don't wanna believe that just race a c6 that has been upgraded to 3.42 gears......and you would get it handed to ya
actually one with 3.15's should leave ya behind from light to light on the street or track. His mph might not be as high but he will be QUICKER and thats what matters 
Last edited by wildman378; Feb 2, 2005 at 11:43 AM.
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From: Huntington Beach California
Originally Posted by bdc6
but a MN6 is only faster with a pro driver...any normal driver with an A4 can be faster than a normal driver with a MN6... can I get a show of hands who agrees with me.... 
Team Owner
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From: Houston, TX
Originally Posted by Sully C5
I always love these discussions. 
Here is the deal. In absolute numbers, the manual is quicker and faster. GM's own data backs this up. And I think it's pretty safe to say that the Corvette test driver does everything possible to maximize both cars times. In fact, there was an article in Corvette Quarterly a couple of years ago about him. Apparently he's a real animal and runs the dog out of them until he's sure he's gotten all there is out of them.
Also, as to the automatic coming out of the hole faster, I have had my C6 six speed to the track once. I turned two 1.95 60' times. I have not seen an automatic any quicker than this (and as someone said, how hard could that be - even your grandmother can get the most out of an automatic
)
Drifting
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From: NY
Originally Posted by shopdog
The auto is definitely quicker off the line. It feels like it has more torque when you punch it in street driving too. But top speed goes to the manual because it has lower driveline losses.
Pro
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From: Houston
Originally Posted by alevy
Wait a min.. you think the Auto is quicker off the line? Not a chance.. you cant dump the clutch in an auto..
Burning Brakes
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From: St. Louis Mo.
Originally Posted by bdc6
but a MN6 is only faster with a pro driver...any normal driver with an A4 can be faster than a normal driver with a MN6... can I get a show of hands who agrees with me....
Melting Slicks
Joined: Feb 2002
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From: Miami Fl
Originally Posted by Vette346
Where did you get this info? The 4L65 transmission in the Vette is rated to only 380 ft-lbs of torque, so its actually the manual that is getting more power to the wheels. In addition autos usuall suffer at least 5% more power loss at the wheels versus manual, meaning in the LS2's case, about a 20hp rwhp advantage for the manual. That being said, an auto sure is nice when you're stuck in traffic...
Melting Slicks
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From: n/a SC
"Stop light to stop light, my money on the auto BUT - from a roll anywhere above 15 MPH the 6 speed will kill the auto because of the gearing."
Read my post above about the gearing differences because thats not why. However, I agree with you somewhat, from a roll at most speeds the 6sp should do a little better, from a dead stop the 6sp is toast.
HOWEVER! the autos have their perfect spots that when you stomp at a roll it will STILL take the 6sp.
Read my post above about the gearing differences because thats not why. However, I agree with you somewhat, from a roll at most speeds the 6sp should do a little better, from a dead stop the 6sp is toast.
HOWEVER! the autos have their perfect spots that when you stomp at a roll it will STILL take the 6sp.
Intermediate
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From: Cornelius North Carolina
Originally Posted by bdc6
but a MN6 is only faster with a pro driver...any normal driver with an A4 can be faster than a normal driver with a MN6... can I get a show of hands who agrees with me....
Drifting
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From: st paul mn
Originally Posted by RTY2005
Yes, if you drive the auto and then step into the manual it seems to me the manual is more powerful.
Pro
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Originally Posted by ditty22
Infact the manual is faster most times by 3 to 5 tens depending on gears!