I think you are getting closer and closer to the "smoking gun".......the next step I would try is stop using fob 1 altogether and go strictly with fob 2.......see what happens........maybe you've done that already.

 

hmmm..that is weird, if you are only seeing B2515 and I would say that it is a malfunction of the steering column lock. Did you see a "FOBs not detected" message? I think the fob is either detected or it is not, and if it is not detected you get that message. Also, if it was not detected why would a code set indicating a problem with the steering lock? Breaking down the starting sequence again:

Push start button
fob computer sends message to fob
fob replys back
fob computer, body computer, and column computer talk and unlock column
column computer verifies column unlocks, if not, B2515 sets and the vehicle will not start because the column is still locked
if everything is ok, the vehicle starts

I would think that if it were a fob issue a code would set in the BCM or FOB computer, B2515 would not have set if the column computer did not get the message to unlock and fail at it. The message would never have been sent if the fob was not detected.

Was you column locked or unlocked? The only other thing I can think of is some kind of theft detterent, passwords are passed between the column computer, the fob computer, and the engine computer. The manual says that a DTC will set if the engine computer doesn't see the right password, I'm not sure what happens if the fob and column one's don't match. If they didn't match, I think you'd get the issue nearly all the time and probably would not have set a B2515, since the column computer would be not unlocking the column on purpose.

My bet is that there is a problem with the column lock itself.

 

It may be now, the car wouldn't start last night after work for nothing. Even taking the negative off the battery would not reset the system or unlock the streering column. I called up the Rep and said the "car is DOA, Battery is okay, the FOB is in the Left Rear Wheel, it needs to towed, and I won't be there" Lucky for me the wife was only a few miles away and picked me up, the downside(along with the rest ) I realized with a DOA and the fact the streering column won't unlock, the C6 will be a bitch to flat bed out of a crowed parking lot!

To answer your questions, Nope never saw a No FOB Detected message in the DIC. From the standpoint of FOB security, I would make the assumption that there is several bits of data that must be passed prior to the car starting- offhand the FOB should be passing it's MAC address (a unique hardware addess) and a programmed in password. With these two forms of ID, car theives may be able to hack the MAC, but unlikey the password. The door system most likely only uses one of the code elements. While the steering lock may be the problem, the programming may have not accounted for a unsual security situation and allows the signal to the steering column lock dispite the the unlocking is unsupported-who knows All I know is my fun meter is pegged out with this situation.

 

8,600 miles no problems but if you don't push the clutch all the way to the floor sometimes it will not start "weak leg"

 

I wish the situation was that simple and it well be in some cases, but it is not in this case Talking with the Service Rep, they are replacing the steering column lock bits and looking to replace the Dash receivers and FOB's with a recent upgraded set if it applies to my car type-the person in charge of the receivers is not returning the Service Reps call(s) so that's a question that is still open. However, I am going to be firm about replacing the receivers and FOB's regardless since I still think the problem begins at that spot.

My steering column parts are being sent to the Great White Mid West to be put on a Z51 MN6 to see what it does up there, but I am given to understand this electrical snafu is becoming more of a problem around the country. The last statement may have been fluff, but they do seem to want to fix my problem. And so it goes, if all the parts come in, I'll have the car tomorrow-pray for me

 

Sounds good, good luck, let us know what happens!

 

Thanks OttoNP, you have been a great help during this ordeal(no drama intented )

 

I think you will be ready for a when this is finally resolved!

 

Unfortunately, it appears that the party is over-at least for me. I got a call last night for the Service Rep telling me of all the woes he is having trying to the parts he needs to fix the Black Lemon(aka Black Beauty) Apparently, GM parts bureaucracy rules to the point the car will only be half "fixed" as early as Wednesday next week, the supposed antennae/FOB upgrade is vaporware since the GM employee refuses to return the Service Rep's calls. Sigh, anyway this morning we are going to contact our GM Customer Rep to talk about the Florida's Lemon Law

 

Well the saga continues, the Service Rep can't seem to get a hold parts needed to fix my Corvette. I come to find out that there appears to be no parts manual for the 2005 Corvette C6 and apparently you have to call Chevrolet Parts in Michigan to get the part numbers, then you have to order them locally, then it takes a day or two to find out if they are even available, and if they aren't available, they have to specially ordered. In the case of the steering column, which must be replaced, the Rep was told that it would be shipped in 48 hours-do not take it that as there part will be here in 48 hours-just that it will be shipped in 48 hours. Neither the Rep or I know if we are talking 2 or 4 days to get that one part. The issue with the new FOBs and transceivers is in Chevrolet C6 La La land with the Rep not getting any return phone calls from the people responsible for this Vapor "fix" of my C6 Corvette transceivers.

With no end in sight for these maybe repairs, and with the car in the shop now for 25 days, together with 4 trips to the dealer, and one towing experience, we called "our" GM Customer Service Representative, Mr. John Brooks, to begin the process of either exchanging the car for one that works, or our going to the Florida's Attorney General's Office and Better Business Bureau to begin the Florida Lemon Law Process to force the exchange. Given the cars' repair history, there is only marginal resale value given the increased CARFAX report popularity and demonstrated history of poor reliability of this 2005 C6 Corvette.

At first Mr. Brooks conceded on his own that the car should be replaced and that he would check it out with the "higher up" who hasn't returned his phone call yet, but in Mr. Brooks' return call this afternoon the story changed to there would be no replacement since there was a "fix" in the works. A "fix" which is only speculation at this moment, without any meaningful C6 2005 Corvette parts support from Chevrolet, and without even a likely estimate of time when the so-called "fix" will be completed.

Needless to say, we filed with the Florida's Attorney General's Office & Better Business Bureau right after Mr. Brooks phone call. It really sucks when your dream car turns in to your nightmare.

 

That sucks, I'm not sure why they would try to change the whole column, I would think they would just change the column lock. I really don't think you have a FOB issue, I can't find anything in my owner manual or the service manual that indicates it should default to FOB 1 if both are present. I would think that it would go to which ever one it detected first or possible the one nearest the driver's seat. I usually only carry #1 FOB and have had zero issues, except for if my truck FOB is near it it isn't always detected.

I love my car, 0 issues so far at 9,XXX miles, I only wish everyone's experience was as good as mine...

My local dealer was able to find those part numbers rapidly, they are below, though I didn't ask for a part number for an entire column assembly:

88963405 Column Lock
10353066 Steering Column Lock Module

 

I not sure on the full why's of the column replacement either-unless I misunderstood the Service Rep, which is very possible because I was not at my best or is it just easier to just part out the whole assembly. Your dealer may have been better prepared by spending the money needed to create a first rate Corvette shop-times are hard for some GM dealers. By the way, how and where did you get a hold of a 2005 Corvette C6 Shop/Repair Manual-man I have been looking all over the place trying to get one-Fletcher's offers it for sale on their Web Page, but he has never actually had one in stock to fill an order.

In any case, since I have not heard anything from the Service Rep, I take it that the parts are coming by slow UPS ground which is going to place the final repairs, if successful, well out of the 30 day grace period. Concerning the FOB's and Transceivers, had I not seen what I and the Service Rep saw, I would doubt its' role too, but it without any doubt does have some role in the problem. However, is it bad-probably not, rather I suspect it was just poorly installed which is not an uncommon event for any assembly plant-Bowling Green or otherwise. I know for a fact, that Active Handling and Traction Control was not operational until the Service Rep went through the wiring, and getting the Service Rep to dive deep in to the dash was an attempt to effect a similar affect.

With the order of FOB's, it is in both the owners manual and the owners DVD that when both FOB's are present that the system defaults to FOB #1-from a programmers stance, that defaulting is both logical and needed when both FOB's are equally detected during the Memory Recall process. Order of FOB's should have no affect on whether the car is allowed to start-what got my attention is the process used #2 when both FOB's were on the same key ring-that's likely FOB battery levels verus signal strength.

 

Bummer! Sorry to her about your problems.

 

What a nightmare, you need to stand tall and be calm but get the car replaced. Don't let them talk you into a "fix". It may in fact get "fixed" but after all the "autopsies" done on it , it will be scarred for life. All that rummaging around in the wiring and dash is not a good thing. Let the lawyer work it through and get a "fresh one". Good Luck.
Boomer

 

Yup....

 

Well here we are, Friday morning and surprise, surprise still no Vette-I would have bet my first born that the "repairs" would not be have completed. I plan on hanging very tough on this matter and each day that ticks by with nothing other than a payments, hardens my resolve even more-tho I'm sure GM is shaking in their boots

 

i had the same problem right around 900 miles and the worst part is it was infront of 2 police officers after chatting with them for about 20 minutes about the C6, it fixed itself and thats the last time that every happened to me and i just hit 2000 miles

 

Well we broke down and called the Service Rep Friday night and asked how it was going with the repairs. He stated the parts came in late Friday, and the car would be repaired by Monday afternoon. The Rep stated that he was not to discuss any details with us, and that he has been called many times by GM'upers in the last few days. I hope they are treating him well, because he has been one of the best people to work with and I have become very impressed with his abilities & near terminator desire to get the car fixed right-so no matter how this all plays out-he's the only one, other that me, who is ever going to work on my car.

 

Service Manuals

1-800-782-4356
http://www.helminc.com

They cost a little more but are the same as what GM dealerships use.

So are you picking the car up today or just leaving it at the dealership while pursuing the buyback? Your whole ordeal sucks....glad to hear your dealer has been friendly...

Good Luck

 

Picked the car up, and I must say the SR did a good job-and OttNP you were right, only the module, ring, and solenoid were replaced. The transciever is up in there air for being replaced, I assume they are not going to at this point. As ordeals go, I have had far worse in my life and times so this I just take with a grain of salt and a shot of JD