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Old Nov 20, 2007 | 02:28 PM
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Im sure that everyone has noticed how much further down the accelerator is from the brake? Are the pedals adjustable? Thanks
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Old Nov 20, 2007 | 02:40 PM
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Im sure that everyone has noticed how much further down the accelerator is from the brake? Are the pedals adjustable? Thanks

Not adjustable but they do make throttle plates.... to go on the gas pedal .... I bought some piloti's which helped some... my foot is VERY narrow so I struggle with it at times too.... I got used to the throttle plates at Spring Mntn... then had to get used to mine again without it..... I know what you mean.....
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Old Nov 20, 2007 | 02:43 PM
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Try the Elite Engineering wide Gas pedal! If you have narrow feet you'll like it.
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Old Nov 20, 2007 | 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by gmoller
Try the Elite Engineering wide Gas pedal! If you have narrow feet you'll like it.
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I agree, the Elite Engineering wide gas pedal is the answer. The highest quality material and workmanship
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Old Nov 20, 2007 | 03:26 PM
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I'd suggest you go with the "standard" Elite pedal which is wider than the stock pedal and not the so called "Heel & Toe" unit. The "Heel & Toe" unit is way too wide and you are likely to hit the gas and brake at the same time when you are just trying to brake.
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Just get yourself a good pair of driving shoes and practice, practice, practice!
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What do you recommend for driving shoes?
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What do you recommend for driving shoes?
Piloti's are somewhat purpose built for driving. Certain Pumas are quite good too and considerably cheaper..
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Pilotis are great but a little pricey . . . I have a couple pairs of very soft moccasins with rubber soles that curve up around the heel - they're very, very comfortable and great for heel & toe shifting.
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Originally Posted by fyreline
Just get yourself a good pair of driving shoes and practice, practice, practice!
Amen, but I had a different problem. I have a pretty wide foot and found it took sometime to get used to. Everytime I had to hit the brake my foot caught on the brake pedal. A little paying attention when driving and now it doesn't happen anymore.
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Attributable to technique? Check this: http://www.edmunds.com/advice/youngd...3/article.html
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Originally Posted by titanit
Amen, but I had a different problem. I have a pretty wide foot and found it took sometime to get used to. Everytime I had to hit the brake my foot caught on the brake pedal. A little paying attention when driving and now it doesn't happen anymore.
Just curious if you don't mind. Was that due to you or the design of the shoes you were wearing? TIA
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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 10:32 AM
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Ive got two pair of pilotis and a couple of pumas. I personally like the pumas the best because the draw string on the pilotis is a bit annoying.
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Just curious if you don't mind. Was that due to you or the design of the shoes you were wearing? TIA
I actually think it was due to me and the way I used to position my foot on the old 5sp Altima I had. I had to concentrate on lifting the foot to move it to the brakes. Now, it is just coming automatically.
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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 10:48 AM
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I ordered the heel toe pedal since I have skinny long feet. It looks like that will be very helpful. Thanks for the insight.
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Originally Posted by d1 guy
I ordered the heel toe pedal since I have skinny long feet. It looks like that will be very helpful. Thanks for the insight.
I have feet like a duck and I also ordered the heel-toe pedal. I'll let you know how it works out after I install it.
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Originally Posted by gmccreary
I have feet like a duck and I also ordered the heel-toe pedal. I'll let you know how it works out after I install it.
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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 04:12 PM
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All the practice in the world won't fix the placement of the pedals...IMO it's virtually impossible to execute a traditional heel/toe in the C6. Besides the Elite Engineeing gas pedal, there is a pedal (shim) mod which I'll get to in a minute.

What I do is to simply use my right foot...I put the left edge (almost the ball) of my right foot on the edge of the brake pedal and 'roll' my foot so that the right edge of my foot catches the gas pedal. It took some practice so that I feel confident on the brake pedal under heavy (track) braking but it works. With just my right foot I can securely brake and blip the gas at the same time.

Unfortunately I can't give credit to the author but I did save his pedal mod which was posted some time back (the link addresses the subject as well) as follows:

This is a new post on this subject because my original post a week ago got long on responses. Original post here:

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...+%26amp%3B+toe

I Just wanted to share a solution now with those of you who also have difficulity doing "Heel and Toe" braking because of the pedal geometry in the Manual 6 speed car.

Just to review, I started by replacing the stock gas pedal with the wider aluminum pedal by Elite Engineering. I still had trouble doing the traditional "heel & toe" braking manuever because of the stock pedal placement geometry in the C6. The gas pedal is mounted too low in relation to the brake pedal.

Thanks to John and everyone else who chimed in. John's solution was to add a metal spacer or shim on the back of the Elite pedal. This effectively raises the angle of the gas pedal by resting on the pedal mounting strut.

I made a 1/4 inch thick spacer of aluminum and JB welded it in place.
In addition, the Elite pedal has a lot (too much) lateral play when installed. Also, the spring is difficult to align when installing the pedal.
I found a solution to the play problem by making a plastic (nylon) spacer which rides against the mounting strut restricting movement side to side. A notch in the nylon also holds the spring in place against the pedal. A hole drilled in the spacer allows the mounting bolt to hold it all in place.
A dremel tool shapes the nylon easily and it fits tight against the aluminum spacer.

Net result: Easy mounting now! The mounting bolt slides right into place without the hassle of aligning the spring or using a mirror.
Much better angle for heel and toe braking now and 90% of excess play eliminated. The bottom of the gas pedal has been raised by the aluminum spacer so it more parallel to the brake pedal now. Therefore, sliding one's foot over from the brake pedal to the gas is easier now.

My son does heel & toe by rolling the ball of his foot onto the gas. He drove it and found it very easy now. I use the old method of heel to the gas, toes on the brake, and I too found it much easier now.
Viola!!

(I apologize if the photos are a bit distorted...I pulled them from a Word format file).

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Originally Posted by TRAYC6
Not adjustable but they do make throttle plates.... to go on the gas pedal .... I bought some piloti's which helped some... my foot is VERY narrow so I struggle with it at times too.... I got used to the throttle plates at Spring Mntn... then had to get used to mine again without it..... I know what you mean.....


I have size 12 feet and I still prefer a throttle plate.
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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Wayne O
What I do is to simply use my right foot...I put the left edge (almost the ball) of my right foot on the edge of the brake pedal and 'roll' my foot so that the right edge of my foot catches the gas pedal. It took some practice so that I feel confident on the brake pedal under heavy (track) braking but it works. With just my right foot I can securely brake and blip the gas at the same time.

Exactly the sme method I use. I heel & toe whenever I drive, all street driving included. I do wear Timberland driving moccasins most of time and they work great. My Tony Lama sh*t kickers are the worst footwear for driving, but I can still heel and toe with them.
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