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Old Apr 11, 2008 | 02:30 PM
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Great thread....just shows you....opinions are like .......everyone has one....and it's great we can all voice ours.
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Old Apr 11, 2008 | 02:39 PM
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Wanna race?
Lets go! Police stations and school zones have the best traction btw
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Old Apr 11, 2008 | 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Roc Rinaldi
A better place for this discussion is in the "Little old ladies driving to church" forum.
My Mom's car. Got it from the boys downunder.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=9tNj7HG5Ow4

May to too much for those who think 'When is Enough-Enough'
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Old Apr 11, 2008 | 02:53 PM
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Old Apr 11, 2008 | 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by jkreis
Great thread....just shows you....opinions are like .......everyone has one....and it's great we can all voice ours.
Thanks, at least SOME people get what I was trying to ask. I was NOT trying to pass judgement on ANYONE looking to add HP to their car. I myself have done the exact same thing in the past. If some people on here could just get past the "insults" and smart a** remarks (i.e. " Little Old ladies driving to church), then perhaps we can have the proper "discussion" about the original thread. The heading of the thread "When is Enough-Enough" was NOT meant as a condimnation of added HP. I apologize if it was misleading to anyone. I merely wanted to open a discussion about peoples reasonings in general about adding HP to their cars. Nothing more, nothing less. I assumed that what a "general discussion" was all about. If you don't agree with the topic, thats fine, but why sling mud at a thread that meant NO insults to anyone, their respective cars, their quest for more HP, or their mahhoods for wanting to add more HP. I just don't get it.
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Old Apr 11, 2008 | 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by PowerLabs
Lets go! Police stations and school zones have the best traction btw
....and the best speeding cameras.
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Old Apr 11, 2008 | 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Vette'n04
Thanks, at least SOME people get what I was trying to ask. I was NOT trying to pass judgement on ANYONE looking to add HP to their car. I myself have done the exact same thing in the past. If some people on here could just get past the "insults" and smart a** remarks (i.e. " Little Old ladies driving to church), then perhaps we can have the proper "discussion" about the original thread. The heading of the thread "When is Enough-Enough" was NOT meant as a condimnation of added HP. I apologize if it was misleading to anyone. I merely wanted to open a discussion about peoples reasonings in general about adding HP to their cars. Nothing more, nothing less. I assumed that what a "general discussion" was all about. If you don't agree with the topic, thats fine, but why sling mud at a thread that meant NO insults to anyone, their respective cars, their quest for more HP, or their mahhoods for wanting to add more HP. I just don't get it.
Hey pal, it's all a big joke. You shouldn't take this to heart. The Little old ladies comment was having fun with you. Enjoy the banter and dialogue. Leave "serious" at the front door.
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Old Apr 11, 2008 | 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Roc Rinaldi
Hey pal, it's all a big joke. You shouldn't take this to heart. The Little old ladies comment was having fun with you. Enjoy the banter and dialogue. Leave "serious" at the front door.
Hey pal not trying to be serious, just trying to open dialogue. I have been a member here for 2 years now, and some alot longer than me. We have all seen threads which we felt were redundant, maybe silly, and perhaps downright foolish. However, if we want to keep this an "Open" forum than we should allow for some silliness. I agree. That being said, I am not one to "toot" my own horn on how fast or how aggressive I drive, I'll leave that to others. In MY OPINION, and ONLY MY OPINION, I feel that some of the remarks have been a little over the top. That's all.
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Originally Posted by Vette'n04
Hey pal not trying to be serious, just trying to open dialogue. I have been a member here for 2 years now, and some alot longer than me. We have all seen threads which we felt were redundant, maybe silly, and perhaps downright foolish. However, if we want to keep this an "Open" forum than we should allow for some silliness. I agree. That being said, I am not one to "toot" my own horn on how fast or how aggressive I drive, I'll leave that to others. In MY OPINION, and ONLY MY OPINION, I feel that some of the remarks have been a little over the top. That's all.
If you look at the majority of the posting here you will notice that they contribute to the value of this great forum. Information that I don't think you can get elsewhere in one place. Everything from new owner pics, mods, requests for help, etc, etc, etc. While I wish people would at least RTFM or use the search function before posting, the way your posting was written, it brought no value to the forum and I slammed you for it. That's all.
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They will not stop until you need astronaut training just to drive the car. And even then I think they would probably just give discounts on astronaut training.
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Old Apr 11, 2008 | 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 2008c6
Hp is Hp. It all depends on how it's used. For me the thrill of starting up 436 Hp can't be beat. It's a whole lot better than starting up a 160Hp toyota.
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Congratulations!

This is the dumbest post I've read yet.
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Old Apr 11, 2008 | 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Doing69
If you look at the majority of the posting here you will notice that they contribute to the value of this great forum. Information that I don't think you can get elsewhere in one place. Everything from new owner pics, mods, requests for help, etc, etc, etc. While I wish people would at least RTFM or use the search function before posting, the way your posting was written, it brought no value to the forum and I slammed you for it. That's all.
Again, you say that the way my original post was written, it brought NO VALUE to the forum. That is YOUR opinion! Thats the point I was trying to make, everyone has an opinion. So YOU slammed ME for writing something that in YOUR OPINION brought no value to the forum. Interesting! Great Attitude toward a fellow corvette owner. So much for a close knit group attitude!
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Old Apr 11, 2008 | 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Vette'n04
Again, you say that the way my original post was written, it brought NO VALUE to the forum. That is YOUR opinion! Thats the point I was trying to make, everyone has an opinion. So YOU slammed ME for writing something that in YOUR OPINION brought no value to the forum. Interesting! Great Attitude toward a fellow corvette owner. So much for a close knit group attitude!
OK, I'm sorry. I've been a bad boy.

To answer your original question.

You only need enough HP to get the car up to posted speeds. I'm guessing 35HP max.

For many though, It's the thrill of the force of movement brought on by the larger amounts of HP.
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Old Apr 11, 2008 | 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Vette'n04
Thanks, at least SOME people get what I was trying to ask. I was NOT trying to pass judgement on ANYONE looking to add HP to their car. I myself have done the exact same thing in the past. If some people on here could just get past the "insults" and smart a** remarks (i.e. " Little Old ladies driving to church), then perhaps we can have the proper "discussion" about the original thread. The heading of the thread "When is Enough-Enough" was NOT meant as a condimnation of added HP. I apologize if it was misleading to anyone. I merely wanted to open a discussion about peoples reasonings in general about adding HP to their cars. Nothing more, nothing less. I assumed that what a "general discussion" was all about. If you don't agree with the topic, thats fine, but why sling mud at a thread that meant NO insults to anyone, their respective cars, their quest for more HP, or their mahhoods for wanting to add more HP. I just don't get it.
I get it. Some peoples Corvette egos are so fragile, they shatter like glass. Confident people don't react harshly to simple questions. Only insecure people.
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Old Apr 11, 2008 | 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Vette'n04
I was NOT trying to pass judgement on ANYONE looking to add HP to their car. ... I merely wanted to open a discussion about peoples reasonings in general about adding HP to their cars. Nothing more, nothing less.
That's not how your original post reads, at least to me. But, apology accepted and let's move on.

While my own car is certainly not in the super-power category, I was looking seriously at an engine build that might go as high as 800 rwhp. Since this involves a LARGE chunk of change (the power adder is only a small part) I did a lot of research and talked to a lot of people, both the owners of high-powered cars, and the owners of the shops that build them. I also got rides in several high-powered combos although none, alas, made it to 800. The objective of all this was to try and find out what the right power level was for me without having to build 3 or 4 combinations to find out. If you really want an expert answer to this question, go ask in C5 and/or C6 FI for a while. There are quite a few guys over there driving around with 700-800 rwhp, or more.

Here are my impressions. This is my opinion and is mostly based on discussions with owners, plus a few right-seat rides. Other folks will have other opinions, and many of them will have more first-hand knowledge than I do. So fwiw.

The "upper limit" for practical everyday street use is somewhere between 500 and 600 rwhp. Many experienced people told me this. Over that level and the car is a smoke machine at less than triple-digit speeds. If you are building the car for very high speeds, then much more power can be used. There are (a few) people out there who need 800 rwhp or more to get the performance they want and use. But cars like this tend very much to be specialized weekend cars that are not driven much.

The issue is two-fold: tires and reliability. Regular, "non-R" street tires, even in the largest sizes, are at their limit hooking up 500-600 rwhp. Even then, anything at this power level is going to hook under certain conditions and not others. But you can get them to hook reasonably at least sometimes. DOT race tires can do much better, but then it's not a daily-driver car anymore, at least to me.

My strong impression is that the 750+ rwhp cars have to be "pedaled" under 80-100 mph, no matter what. Now some guys really like that, and more power to 'em, if you'll excuse the phrase, but a car that will light the tires in any of the lower gears if you look at the throttle wrong is not what I want for hitting the mountains. Still, somebody like JBSBLOWNC5 proves that it can work.

The other thing is reliability. It's not that high-power engines can't be reliable; they can. But making the engine and the rest of the car reliable costs some serious dollars and development time. Again, fine for a weekend toy, but too much for a daily driver.

So, my impression is that there are some guys who revel in the project itself. The car is in the shop much of the time getting fixed or upgraded, and that's fine. It sees a few thousand miles a year. Dyno numbers are bragging rights, but the point of the project isn't the bragging, it's the project itself. It's not at all unusual for such owners to sell the car, at a considerable loss, when the project is "finished". Then they're on to the next one. These guys often go for the big-power combos.

Then there are guys who just like to drive fast. They want to drive something that sounds and feels like a race car (even though in reality it's a long way from a real race car). They exercise the car, so far as they reasonably can, on a regular basis. Sometimes that involves the track, and sometimes not. For these guys, they typically stop somewhere in the 500s. I fall into this category, and that's why I decided on a new Z06 that will maybe get a cam and headers rather than a 800 rwhp C5.
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They will not stop until you need astronaut training just to drive the car. And even then I think they would probably just give discounts on astronaut training.
Aren't you required to take a driving course to buy a ZR1?
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its all ego for me.you can never have enough
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