Shell brand gas
03-02-2009, 05:04 PM
#102
Safety Car
Even gas stations with good fuel can get water in the undergound tanks if a scheister is running the station.
On another topic.....We had a guy selling gas around here who got run out of business for leaking gasoline and MTBE into the groundwater. He knew he was losing gas due to a leak and did nothing about it. A number of homes have been destroyed.
On another topic.....We had a guy selling gas around here who got run out of business for leaking gasoline and MTBE into the groundwater. He knew he was losing gas due to a leak and did nothing about it. A number of homes have been destroyed.
03-02-2009, 06:58 PM
#103
Safety Car
Ask any dealer technician if all gas is the same. I was a tech for many years and the one common thing to most people that came in with clogged injectors, knocking from carbon... was cheap gas. I remember countless Caddy Northstars that came in knocking like crazy on cold starts, what was the fix? - Top engine cleaning and telling the customer to quit buying that cheap *** Kroger gas.
My dad experienced the exact same thing in his Caddy. Kept running rough, knocking on start up... after two trips to the dealer for injector cleanings, they finally told him - no more. The next injector cleaning is one you, and they gave him the bulletin about top tier gas. He thought it was bull and blamed it on poor factory tuning, bad engine design... gas is a commodity.... One day I asked him where are you getting your gas? Kroger, we use our discount card. Well dad, I use shell or BP and have never had fuel injectors cleaned my entire life. Need any more convincing? He switched to name brand gas, tries to stick to Shell and has not had a single injector clogging problem since.
I have a friend in engineering that was involved with the Top Tier stuff when it was being created. It started from the car manufacturers, tired of paying millions in warranty claims from clogged up fuel systems.
They recognized the govt's minumum requirements for detergents were not sufficient to keep fuel injection systems clean. So a group of car company's fuel engineers worked with a group of oil companies to develop a better standard for detergents, and anyone that met those levels could be listed as top tier. Any other story you hear is BS. Of course it is used as marketing. If your company met the better standard, wouldn't you market that?
After my dad switched away from Kroger gas to Shell five years ago, his Caddy has run perfect. I highly doubt that was just a coincidence.
My dad experienced the exact same thing in his Caddy. Kept running rough, knocking on start up... after two trips to the dealer for injector cleanings, they finally told him - no more. The next injector cleaning is one you, and they gave him the bulletin about top tier gas. He thought it was bull and blamed it on poor factory tuning, bad engine design... gas is a commodity.... One day I asked him where are you getting your gas? Kroger, we use our discount card. Well dad, I use shell or BP and have never had fuel injectors cleaned my entire life. Need any more convincing? He switched to name brand gas, tries to stick to Shell and has not had a single injector clogging problem since.
I have a friend in engineering that was involved with the Top Tier stuff when it was being created. It started from the car manufacturers, tired of paying millions in warranty claims from clogged up fuel systems.
They recognized the govt's minumum requirements for detergents were not sufficient to keep fuel injection systems clean. So a group of car company's fuel engineers worked with a group of oil companies to develop a better standard for detergents, and anyone that met those levels could be listed as top tier. Any other story you hear is BS. Of course it is used as marketing. If your company met the better standard, wouldn't you market that?
After my dad switched away from Kroger gas to Shell five years ago, his Caddy has run perfect. I highly doubt that was just a coincidence.
03-02-2009, 07:02 PM
#104
Ask any dealer technician if all gas is the same. I was a tech for many years and the one common thing to most people that came in with clogged injectors, knocking from carbon... was cheap gas. I remember countless Caddy Northstars that came in knocking like crazy on cold starts, what was the fix? - Top engine cleaning and telling the customer to quit buying that cheap *** Kroger gas.
My dad experienced the exact same thing in his Caddy. Kept running rough, knocking on start up... after two trips to the dealer for injector cleanings, they finally told him - no more. The next injector cleaning is one you, and they gave him the bulletin about top tier gas. He thought it was bull and blamed it on poor factory tuning, bad engine design... gas is a commodity.... One day I asked him where are you getting your gas? Kroger, we use our discount card. Well dad, I use shell or BP and have never had fuel injectors cleaned my entire life. Need any more convincing? He switched to name brand gas, tries to stick to Shell and has not had a single injector clogging problem since.
I have a friend in engineering that was involved with the Top Tier stuff when it was being created. It started from the car manufacturers, tired of paying millions in warranty claims from clogged up fuel systems.
They recognized the govt's minumum requirements for detergents were not sufficient to keep fuel injection systems clean. So a group of car company's fuel engineers worked with a group of oil companies to develop a better standard for detergents, and anyone that met those levels could be listed as top tier. Any other story you hear is BS. Of course it is used as marketing. If your company met the better standard, wouldn't you market that?
After my dad switched away from Kroger gas to Shell five years ago, his Caddy has run perfect. I highly doubt that was just a coincidence.
My dad experienced the exact same thing in his Caddy. Kept running rough, knocking on start up... after two trips to the dealer for injector cleanings, they finally told him - no more. The next injector cleaning is one you, and they gave him the bulletin about top tier gas. He thought it was bull and blamed it on poor factory tuning, bad engine design... gas is a commodity.... One day I asked him where are you getting your gas? Kroger, we use our discount card. Well dad, I use shell or BP and have never had fuel injectors cleaned my entire life. Need any more convincing? He switched to name brand gas, tries to stick to Shell and has not had a single injector clogging problem since.
I have a friend in engineering that was involved with the Top Tier stuff when it was being created. It started from the car manufacturers, tired of paying millions in warranty claims from clogged up fuel systems.
They recognized the govt's minumum requirements for detergents were not sufficient to keep fuel injection systems clean. So a group of car company's fuel engineers worked with a group of oil companies to develop a better standard for detergents, and anyone that met those levels could be listed as top tier. Any other story you hear is BS. Of course it is used as marketing. If your company met the better standard, wouldn't you market that?
After my dad switched away from Kroger gas to Shell five years ago, his Caddy has run perfect. I highly doubt that was just a coincidence.
Great post and well said.
03-02-2009, 07:46 PM
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St. Jude Donor '09 & '12, '14
The days of carbon build up are over.
10% Ethanol (eats everything) combined with detergents all gas must carry = you win.
Pay 10-20cents more per gallon at Chevron / Shell if you like.
I know I feel extra special thinking my Corvette is enjoying that Techron.
Reality is I just overspent on my little dream.
I won't go into the Octane thing.
10% Ethanol (eats everything) combined with detergents all gas must carry = you win.
Pay 10-20cents more per gallon at Chevron / Shell if you like.
I know I feel extra special thinking my Corvette is enjoying that Techron.
Reality is I just overspent on my little dream.
I won't go into the Octane thing.
03-02-2009, 07:54 PM
#110
I'm "Apache" a psycho dog
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Originally Posted by Rob 99
Hey guys here is the pamphlet on the nitrogen additive;
Yea i know, this post drifited way off topic
not unlike many threads here 
I should have titled it differently, oh well.
Hope the info is helpful
Originally Posted by Rob 99
Hey guys here is the pamphlet on the nitrogen additive;
Yea i know, this post drifited way off topic
not unlike many threads here I should have titled it differently, oh well.
Hope the info is helpful
03-02-2009, 08:16 PM
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Most of the BP stations around here have E10 for regular and midgrade and 100% gas for premium.
03-02-2009, 08:58 PM
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To those who use Shell gas i was fueling up my truck and noticed a banner at the station 'NEW NITROGEN ENRICHED' Shell Gasoline,
i asked the attendant if he had any info about this and he gave me a small phamplet it explains that this additive is for keeping gunk buildup on the valves and injectors, "Shell V-power is our best gasoline containing the highest concentration of our new Nitrogen enriched cleaning system".
So i wonder if this is a replacement additive for Techron which helps eliminate the sulpher buildup on the gauge sending unit?
Also there was nothing on there website about this yet.
Any chemist's onboard to chime in?
i asked the attendant if he had any info about this and he gave me a small phamplet it explains that this additive is for keeping gunk buildup on the valves and injectors, "Shell V-power is our best gasoline containing the highest concentration of our new Nitrogen enriched cleaning system".
So i wonder if this is a replacement additive for Techron which helps eliminate the sulpher buildup on the gauge sending unit?
Also there was nothing on there website about this yet.
Any chemist's onboard to chime in?
03-02-2009, 09:13 PM
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I used no-name premium in my 2001 E320 for 80,000 miles. It started running poorly around 55,000 miles, and I started added Techron every few months. It helped temporarily, but the rough idle always returned.
A couple of years ago I got a Shell credit card that rebates 5% and I started using Shell V-Power in my E-320. The car now has 105,000 miles and it runs well.
Without a control, this isn't a scientific process, but the results are good enough for me.
I also run Shell, Chevron or Conoco in my C6 about 90% of the time.
A couple of years ago I got a Shell credit card that rebates 5% and I started using Shell V-Power in my E-320. The car now has 105,000 miles and it runs well.
Without a control, this isn't a scientific process, but the results are good enough for me.
I also run Shell, Chevron or Conoco in my C6 about 90% of the time.
03-02-2009, 09:32 PM
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Evidently, as of today, the stuff is now in all Shell stations across the country.
http://www.motortrend.com/features/n...858/index.html
http://www.motortrend.com/features/n...858/index.html
03-02-2009, 09:42 PM
#115
I'm "Apache" a psycho dog
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Evidently, as of today, the stuff is now in all Shell stations across the country.
http://www.motortrend.com/features/n...858/index.html
http://www.motortrend.com/features/n...858/index.html
Good find, now for the snow to melt so i can start burning nitrogen & rubber
03-02-2009, 10:04 PM
#116
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"Venezuela government is sole owner of Citgo gasoline company. Venezuela Dictator Hugo Chavez has vowed to bring down the U.S. government. Chavez, president of Venezuela , told a TV audience : "Enough of imperialist aggression; we must tell the world: down with the U.S. empire. We have to bury imperialism this century.""
03-03-2009, 12:13 AM
#117
Don't know how anyone living in this country can use Citgo products, especially in a Corvette.
"Venezuela government is sole owner of Citgo gasoline company. Venezuela Dictator Hugo Chavez has vowed to bring down the U.S. government. Chavez, president of Venezuela , told a TV audience : "Enough of imperialist aggression; we must tell the world: down with the U.S. empire. We have to bury imperialism this century.""
"Venezuela government is sole owner of Citgo gasoline company. Venezuela Dictator Hugo Chavez has vowed to bring down the U.S. government. Chavez, president of Venezuela , told a TV audience : "Enough of imperialist aggression; we must tell the world: down with the U.S. empire. We have to bury imperialism this century.""
03-04-2009, 08:08 AM
#118
Le Mans Master
I haven't found Shell or Chevron to cost any more than the cheapest 93 octane. Maybe a couple of pennies more on 87 octane.
I guess I'm going to be seeing if that nitrogen stuff works soon. I think it is good to have a difference in additives. Like laundry detergent, changing brands gets things cleaner because some additives work better on some dirt and others work on other kinds.
03-05-2009, 09:32 AM
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Evidently, as of today, the stuff is now in all Shell stations across the country.
http://www.motortrend.com/features/n...858/index.html
http://www.motortrend.com/features/n...858/index.html
