07 C6 engine blew - GM final Decision
10-09-2009, 08:46 PM
#241
As opposed to referring to them as "keep it 100% stock or die members", I'd describe most of the ones whose opinions apparently run counter to your own as; "keep it stock or be prepared to pay out of pocket for the repairs" members.
10-09-2009, 08:47 PM
#242
Le Mans Master
I know you've only been a member for a few months but have you only been reading the kumbaya forum?
If you think this thread is personal and vicious take a trip thru the archives some time. This thread is tame.
IDSRVIT's dealers attitude and warranty refusal examples are almost unbelievable. No wonder he had last years cars still on his lot, who would want to buy from him with an attitude like that. I would have stopped the sale and went down the road. I wouldn't even buy parts from them.
I get a kick out of all the keep it 100% stock or die members. Keep in mind that if it was not for mods, both performance and esthetic, this forum would not even exist. There wouldn't be enough members and advertising to make it go.
If you think this thread is personal and vicious take a trip thru the archives some time. This thread is tame.
IDSRVIT's dealers attitude and warranty refusal examples are almost unbelievable. No wonder he had last years cars still on his lot, who would want to buy from him with an attitude like that. I would have stopped the sale and went down the road. I wouldn't even buy parts from them.
I get a kick out of all the keep it 100% stock or die members. Keep in mind that if it was not for mods, both performance and esthetic, this forum would not even exist. There wouldn't be enough members and advertising to make it go.
The majority of posts in the General section are regarding bone stock vehicles...regular maintenance items..."How do I..." that are found in the manual, etc. etc.
You're forgetting the major point that those of us are making regarding the mods...and that has to do with the warranty. Mod the hell outta your car dude! It's yours...blow the socks off everyone out there on the street and have a big *** smile doing it! But if you mod your car and it breaks because of the mod, do not come here and cry about it (not saying the OP was). Man up and pay for it yourself...don't expect someone else to pay for the damage *you* caused.
RIF
10-09-2009, 08:53 PM
#243
Team Owner
Well, at least for 5years/100kmiles.
10-09-2009, 09:01 PM
#244
The majority of posts in the General section are regarding bone stock vehicles...regular maintenance items..."How do I..." that are found in the manual, etc. etc
You're forgetting the major point that those of us are making regarding the mods...and that has to do with the warranty. Mod the hell outta your car dude! It's yours...blow the socks off everyone out there on the street and have a big *** smile doing it! But if you mod your car and it breaks because of the mod, do not come here and cry about it (not saying the OP was). Man up and pay for it yourself...don't expect someone else to pay for the damage *you* caused.
RIF
The point that many people are trying to make is that if you mod it, and it pops in behind your modding, then don't come in here pissing and moaning about how you GM ought to pay for it, and how they have to prove that your tinkering caused the car to pop, and how you are going to "lawyer up and sue" if they don't.
You tune it, it pops, you fix it.
If you have a problem with that, then buy something else made by a manufacturer who will let you run any calibration in it you want to run in it, and still honor the warranty on it.
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10-09-2009, 09:04 PM
#245
Melting Slicks
To the OP, I'm truly sorry to hear of your costly misfortune.
The whole situation really does suck.
But let's face it, we all know that we are taking a chance that the dealer (or the manufacturer) won't honor the warranty when we modify our cars.
I'm sorry, but you can't tell me that this surprises you.
We all knew this was coming, we just didn't know when, and who it was going to happen to.
For me, this was just the news I was waiting for.
It'll make a lot of my future decisions a lot easier.
The whole situation really does suck.
But let's face it, we all know that we are taking a chance that the dealer (or the manufacturer) won't honor the warranty when we modify our cars.
I'm sorry, but you can't tell me that this surprises you.
We all knew this was coming, we just didn't know when, and who it was going to happen to.
For me, this was just the news I was waiting for.
It'll make a lot of my future decisions a lot easier.
10-09-2009, 09:37 PM
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10-09-2009, 10:32 PM
#248
I agree that if you tune it and break it, you own it and pay for it. Period!
however, I don't agree with certain business owners here that are looking to make money lulling everyone into a false sense of security about their tunes and saying how warranty doesn't matter since the tune will fix everything you'll never have a problem. they should really be upfront about their business instead of being sheisters.
however, I don't agree with certain business owners here that are looking to make money lulling everyone into a false sense of security about their tunes and saying how warranty doesn't matter since the tune will fix everything you'll never have a problem. they should really be upfront about their business instead of being sheisters.
10-09-2009, 10:50 PM
#249
Safety Car
Exactly. And again, not saying that the original poster did this, as he took responsibility.
The point that many people are trying to make is that if you mod it, and it pops in behind your modding, then don't come in here pissing and moaning about how you GM ought to pay for it, and how they have to prove that your tinkering caused the car to pop, and how you are going to "lawyer up and sue" if they don't.
You tune it, it pops, you fix it.
If you have a problem with that, then buy something else made by a manufacturer who will let you run any calibration in it you want to run in it, and still honor the warranty on it.
The point that many people are trying to make is that if you mod it, and it pops in behind your modding, then don't come in here pissing and moaning about how you GM ought to pay for it, and how they have to prove that your tinkering caused the car to pop, and how you are going to "lawyer up and sue" if they don't.
You tune it, it pops, you fix it.
If you have a problem with that, then buy something else made by a manufacturer who will let you run any calibration in it you want to run in it, and still honor the warranty on it.
10-09-2009, 11:25 PM
#250
Melting Slicks
Lawyering up is so much easier then manning up! 
It is just another fine example of the Pu$$yfication of America. Nobody takes personal responsibility for anything anymore. It starts with bad parenting and every kid needing to get a trophy in Little League, even if they suck all the way up to having a big "e" d!ck on the internet and threatening to sue everyone.
Since the OP was local to me, I wish there was something I could do other then give him a good deal on a crate motor. I talked with the shop that is doing the work today and they should have him back in the saddle in a week or 2.
It is just another fine example of the Pu$$yfication of America. Nobody takes personal responsibility for anything anymore. It starts with bad parenting and every kid needing to get a trophy in Little League, even if they suck all the way up to having a big "e" d!ck on the internet and threatening to sue everyone.
Since the OP was local to me, I wish there was something I could do other then give him a good deal on a crate motor. I talked with the shop that is doing the work today and they should have him back in the saddle in a week or 2.
10-09-2009, 11:39 PM
#251
There are tuners that are looking to make a quick buck, they make everyone feel comfortable about the mods. In fact there are certain tuners that try to make anyone who questions them look like an ***. I won't name names , but I am sure everyone knows who I am talking about. Moreover, the fact is they are the ones responsible for effing up the cars leaving the owners with a bag of sh*t. I don't have a problem with what they do, but don't be a bullsh*tter. Man up put a BIG disclaimer out there and continue to offer your service. Don't be deceptive, keep your credibility.
10-10-2009, 12:24 AM
#252
It was no trouble to give it to them anyway. So, being the generous guy that I am, I did just that.
I stopped believing that right around the time Nixon was elected for the second time, and people were paying good money for "pet rocks".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pet_Rock
If you choose to continue to believe it, then great.
I stopped believing that right around the time Nixon was elected for the second time, and people were paying good money for "pet rocks".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pet_Rock
If you choose to continue to believe it, then great.
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10-10-2009, 12:26 AM
#253
GM Cert Corvette Tech
Pro Mechanic
Exactly. And again, not saying that the original poster did this, as he took responsibility.
The point that many people are trying to make is that if you mod it, and it pops in behind your modding, then don't come in here pissing and moaning about how you GM ought to pay for it, and how they have to prove that your tinkering caused the car to pop, and how you are going to "lawyer up and sue" if they don't.
You tune it, it pops, you fix it.
If you have a problem with that, then buy something else made by a manufacturer who will let you run any calibration in it you want to run in it, and still honor the warranty on it.
The point that many people are trying to make is that if you mod it, and it pops in behind your modding, then don't come in here pissing and moaning about how you GM ought to pay for it, and how they have to prove that your tinkering caused the car to pop, and how you are going to "lawyer up and sue" if they don't.
You tune it, it pops, you fix it.
If you have a problem with that, then buy something else made by a manufacturer who will let you run any calibration in it you want to run in it, and still honor the warranty on it.
10-10-2009, 12:29 AM
#254
I'm betting that he probably wouldn't want to sell you anything anyway, for fear that you would alter it and turn around and sue him after it got %$#<ed up following your altering it.
So in a way, its good. You can buy something else from someone else, tamper with it, and then sue them, instead of him.
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10-10-2009, 12:40 AM
#255
Team Owner
And anything you wouldn't buy from him for stating his position, someone else will.
I betting that he probably wouldn't want to sell you anything anyway, for fear that you would alter it and turn around and sue him after it got %$#<ed up following your altering it.
So in a way, its good. You can buy something else from someone else, tamper with it, and then sue them, instead of him.
.
I betting that he probably wouldn't want to sell you anything anyway, for fear that you would alter it and turn around and sue him after it got %$#<ed up following your altering it.
So in a way, its good. You can buy something else from someone else, tamper with it, and then sue them, instead of him.
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Brace yourself............
and on a side note I just want to say I'm proud of you for post 241. No edit whatsoever!!!
10-10-2009, 12:55 AM
#257
Race Director
Even stock won't keep you out of danger though. Manufacturers seem to be targeting hard driving and some ECMs are bigger tattle tales than others.
10-10-2009, 12:03 PM
#258
Melting Slicks
And anything you wouldn't buy from him for stating his position, someone else will.
I'm betting that he probably wouldn't want to sell you anything anyway, for fear that you would alter it and turn around and sue him after it got %$#<ed up following your altering it.
So in a way, its good. You can buy something else from someone else, tamper with it, and then sue them, instead of him.
.
I'm betting that he probably wouldn't want to sell you anything anyway, for fear that you would alter it and turn around and sue him after it got %$#<ed up following your altering it.
So in a way, its good. You can buy something else from someone else, tamper with it, and then sue them, instead of him.
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10-10-2009, 12:25 PM
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Several points:
- I have SOME sympathy for the original poster, but not very much. I have sympathy because it happened, of course. And, I do not wish bad things to happen to others. But, I have ZERO sympathy with respect to having to pay for it.
- I applaud GM for NOT covering the repair. If you modify their designs, why SHOULD they cover it? Yeah, fine, if you modify your interior carpet color, you shouldn't void your engine warrantee. But, it sounds like GM went through a lot of trouble to verify things before NOT covering it. For all conspiracy theorists out there that thing GM's decision makers want to void warrantees left and right, you're flatly insane. They often would LOVE to correct problems, and they HATE bad publicity and unhappy customers, but they have to draw a line.
- If you mess with your engine's performance, why SHOULD you still have a warrantee on it?? It's quite amazing to me that SO MANY people on this forum feel that it should be covered. Are SO FEW of you aware of how to run a company? I'll tell you this, I own my own company, and if I didn't draw a line when people modify my product/services, I'd be out of business. If products/services that I produce with my designs fail, then fine, I cover it. If someone messes with my designs, why on Earth SHOULD I cover it???!!!??? It's completely ridiculous. Have you people lost your minds completely (the ones that think it should be covered)?? And, for those few that say "oh, well this is unrelated to that" or whatever, c'mon, gimme a break. I already said if you modify the carpet, the engine warrantee shouldn't be voided. But, a line has to be drawn somewhere. There were engine mods, and something in the engine blew. They tore apart the engine anyway to find out if it might be something they should cover anyway, and concluded otherwise. It's the same in my biz. If you modify my stuff anywhere in the neighborhood of where the failure is, I simply cannot guarantee my work... even if it's not the exact pinpoint failure. And, I really try hard to lean IN FAVOR of the customers!!! But, I'd be flat broke if I went around giving away free services/products every time someone modified my designs.
- I simply cannot fathom the foolishness of people that compare these policies to socialism. UNDER PURE SOCIALISM, IT WOULD BE COVERED!!!! Unreal. Some people simply don't know what socialism is. I have conversations with people left and right, people who claim to be very anti-socialist, then when you ask how they feel about healthcare coverage, warrantees, who's responsible for this or that, what they feel about salary caps, etc., and THEY ARE 100% SOCIALISTS!!!!! (Yet they don't even know it.) Did education just fall off the face of the earth or what?
- Bottom line: you modify your car, you should lose your warrantee. End of story.
- It DISGUSTS ME TO MY CORE to hear the original poster's comment that he recommends that if you blow your engine that you should try to cover your tracks by un-doing the modifications you've made. So, essentially he's advocating that the system should be cheated, and GM should be robbed. For that sake, and any that agree with him, you have my utter contempt. I find people like you to be nothing more than disgusting leeches on the rest of us that play the game of life fairly.
- I have SOME sympathy for the original poster, but not very much. I have sympathy because it happened, of course. And, I do not wish bad things to happen to others. But, I have ZERO sympathy with respect to having to pay for it.
- I applaud GM for NOT covering the repair. If you modify their designs, why SHOULD they cover it? Yeah, fine, if you modify your interior carpet color, you shouldn't void your engine warrantee. But, it sounds like GM went through a lot of trouble to verify things before NOT covering it. For all conspiracy theorists out there that thing GM's decision makers want to void warrantees left and right, you're flatly insane. They often would LOVE to correct problems, and they HATE bad publicity and unhappy customers, but they have to draw a line.
- If you mess with your engine's performance, why SHOULD you still have a warrantee on it?? It's quite amazing to me that SO MANY people on this forum feel that it should be covered. Are SO FEW of you aware of how to run a company? I'll tell you this, I own my own company, and if I didn't draw a line when people modify my product/services, I'd be out of business. If products/services that I produce with my designs fail, then fine, I cover it. If someone messes with my designs, why on Earth SHOULD I cover it???!!!??? It's completely ridiculous. Have you people lost your minds completely (the ones that think it should be covered)?? And, for those few that say "oh, well this is unrelated to that" or whatever, c'mon, gimme a break. I already said if you modify the carpet, the engine warrantee shouldn't be voided. But, a line has to be drawn somewhere. There were engine mods, and something in the engine blew. They tore apart the engine anyway to find out if it might be something they should cover anyway, and concluded otherwise. It's the same in my biz. If you modify my stuff anywhere in the neighborhood of where the failure is, I simply cannot guarantee my work... even if it's not the exact pinpoint failure. And, I really try hard to lean IN FAVOR of the customers!!! But, I'd be flat broke if I went around giving away free services/products every time someone modified my designs.
- I simply cannot fathom the foolishness of people that compare these policies to socialism. UNDER PURE SOCIALISM, IT WOULD BE COVERED!!!! Unreal. Some people simply don't know what socialism is. I have conversations with people left and right, people who claim to be very anti-socialist, then when you ask how they feel about healthcare coverage, warrantees, who's responsible for this or that, what they feel about salary caps, etc., and THEY ARE 100% SOCIALISTS!!!!! (Yet they don't even know it.) Did education just fall off the face of the earth or what?
- Bottom line: you modify your car, you should lose your warrantee. End of story.
- It DISGUSTS ME TO MY CORE to hear the original poster's comment that he recommends that if you blow your engine that you should try to cover your tracks by un-doing the modifications you've made. So, essentially he's advocating that the system should be cheated, and GM should be robbed. For that sake, and any that agree with him, you have my utter contempt. I find people like you to be nothing more than disgusting leeches on the rest of us that play the game of life fairly.
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10-10-2009, 01:34 PM
#260
Le Mans Master
Way to completely miss the point. I'm one of the better buying members on this board. I haven't sued anyone. I just don't shill for companies trying to pull illegal practices on it's customers. It's funny you protect his statement since you probably cost people like him the most money with your constant anti-mod diatribes.
Trust me, I'm all for solid extended warranty coverage. I've had to use it with other cars in big ticket situations, and it would **** me off big time if a dealer or manufacturer tried to weasel out of it.
Like the OP, just take responsibility for your actions and don't try to cost us all more by pushing warranty coverage for things that aren't covered. He gets it, why can't you? That is all anyone here is advocating.
It's guys like you that cost us all more overall by constantly advocating legal action for something that is clearly not covered under warranty.