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Old Feb 16, 2010 | 10:00 AM
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I got a flat yesterday (right rear) and drove the car at 53 mph for 14 miles. Then drove the car for another 4 miles at ~35mph in stop and go traffic. I could hear the tire starting to tear apart so I pulled over to check. I could see the inside sidewall starting to rip apart so I called a tow truck to get it the last 3 miles to the tire shop.

The tire that went flat was a GY Eagle F1 Supercar that comes on the 2007 Z51. The tire had been replaced once and only had about ~7000 miles on it.

I thought I would get 50 miles if I stayed under 55 mph. Was I being too cautious by having the car towed after the tire started to tear? Is the tire tearing normal during the 50 miles of driving without air pressure? I guess my assumption was that the tire would pretty much hold up in its normal state until the 50 miles was up.

Anyone else seen this before?
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Old Feb 16, 2010 | 10:36 AM
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I got a flat yesterday (right rear) and drove the car at 53 mph for 14 miles. Then drove the car for another 4 miles at ~35mph in stop and go traffic. I could hear the tire starting to tear apart so I pulled over to check. I could see the inside sidewall starting to rip apart so I called a tow truck to get it the last 3 miles to the tire shop.
I never drove my RFs with a flat, but I thought they would hold up better than that.

Was the tire usable after it was patched???
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Old Feb 16, 2010 | 10:39 AM
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The tire was damaged beyond repair. I also heard from one tire shop that it is impossible to patch a runflat. I did not know this and still question it a bit.
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Old Feb 16, 2010 | 10:43 AM
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I carry a small electric air pump just in case a tire runs low. It plugs into the cigarette lighter and small enough to fit in one of the back storage wells.
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The tire was damaged beyond repair. I also heard from one tire shop that it is impossible to patch a runflat. I did not know this and still question it a bit.
I had a nail in my RF and I got it patched. They used a 'mushroom' type patch/plug. It was several thousand miles ago, and there is no problem.

So, it is possible to patch a RF.
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I carry a small electric air pump just in case a tire runs low. It plugs into the cigarette lighter and small enough to fit in one of the back storage wells.
Never leave home without it.
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Old Feb 16, 2010 | 10:50 AM
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Where did you buy the small air pump?

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Old Feb 16, 2010 | 10:54 AM
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Where did you buy the small air pump?

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I bout mine at Sears, about $30-40, it fits is the small compartment under the rear carpet.

...or search for "Tire Inflator".
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Personally, I would have gone just a bit slower knowing I had a flat.

Originally Posted by OkieEngr
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Just about any car parts store carries portable air compressors. I agree with Wayne88...I suggest you go to Sears and checkout their selection.
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Old Feb 16, 2010 | 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by OkieEngr
The tire was damaged beyond repair. I also heard from one tire shop that it is impossible to patch a runflat. I did not know this and still question it a bit.
I had a rear puncture with the F1 Supercars, but driving in stop-go traffic for only about 5 miles (happened to be on my way to a dealer to get Stingers fitted!). The pressure was still in the mid-to-high-teens by the time I got to the dealer so not the same as yours, but they fitted a mushroom patch and it lasted another 8K miles or so until l replaced all the tyres.

Does raise a good question though. Does the 50 miles at 55mph mean that the tyre can be fixed at the end of the journey, or that you'll get to your destination just as the rubber disintegrates?
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Old Feb 16, 2010 | 11:54 AM
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Does raise a good question though. Does the 50 miles at 55mph mean that the tyre can be fixed at the end of the journey, or that you'll get to your destination just as the rubber disintegrates?
The "wound" that causes the pressure loss surely has a lot to do with it.

I would guess that the 50mi at 55mph assumes a "normal" puncture from a screw or nail. I don't think you can expect the same performace if something more serious happens.
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Old Feb 16, 2010 | 11:58 AM
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Where's that Wolf guy at when you need him? Dude is a tire engineer, I'd ask him (can't say was because engineers never STOP being engineers ;-) )
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Originally Posted by OkieEngr
I got a flat yesterday (right rear) and drove the car at 53 mph for 14 miles. Then drove the car for another 4 miles at ~35mph in stop and go traffic. I could hear the tire starting to tear apart so I pulled over to check. I could see the inside sidewall starting to rip apart so I called a tow truck to get it the last 3 miles to the tire shop.

The tire that went flat was a GY Eagle F1 Supercar that comes on the 2007 Z51. The tire had been replaced once and only had about ~7000 miles on it.

I thought I would get 50 miles if I stayed under 55 mph. Was I being too cautious by having the car towed after the tire started to tear? Is the tire tearing normal during the 50 miles of driving without air pressure? I guess my assumption was that the tire would pretty much hold up in its normal state until the 50 miles was up.

Anyone else seen this before?
Unfortunately, answer is "it depends". If it's a simple puncture from a screw or nail, the design of the runflat tire (super stiff sidewalls) is such that you should be able to run at low speed to get to a repair facility. On the other hand, if the casing is torn from running over a hunk of metal, sharp edged pot hole, etc, then the tire will most likely disintegrate if you're driving at 50 or 55. You didn't say, but did you inspect the tire when it first starting to deflate?
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Old Feb 16, 2010 | 12:26 PM
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Not at first, but after at the 14 mile mark I did. I could not see what caused the flat, but I didn't inspect too long because I thought my runflats would come to my rescue. Unfortunately, only the tow truck rescued me. No damage to the wheel though and I am getting new tires for free so all is good in the long run.
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Old Feb 16, 2010 | 12:46 PM
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I hit a pot hole at 65mph in the rain and tore a 1 inch slice where the sidewall meets the tread of the tire ( goodyear supercars f1 emt)
I was 85 miles from home at midnight. I called onstar and asked how far I can travel with zero pressure on front left tire, they said I can go 100 miles at 50mph, I was doing 65mph keeping up with traffic and had no problem getting home. The tire still looked good except for the 1 inch slice, bought new tire next day.
I don't leave home without them.
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Old Feb 16, 2010 | 01:18 PM
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Somebody ought to do a comparison of run-flat tires' performance when flat. That would be interesting.
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Originally Posted by OkieEngr
Where did you buy the small air pump?

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I bought a kit at Target for $19.99, it came with a bottle of slime...
http://www.slime.com/product/122/Sma...S-PDQ/06).html
would not use the slime unless I absolutley had to but the pump was a bargain and as mentioned fits in either of the back compartments with room to spare and plugs into the cig lighter.
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The tire was damaged beyond repair. I also heard from one tire shop that it is impossible to patch a runflat. I did not know this and still question it a bit.
You can patch a RF (there are exceptions based on where the breach is located). You should contact GY about a warranty claim. The tire should not have come apart - period - at the speeds you stated.
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Originally Posted by OkieEngr
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Go to Wal Mart and buy the pump housed in blue plastic. Been using a couple of these for years and they work pretty good. Under$20.
On one I spliced in an extra 20 feet of power cord so I could reach even further.
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Old Feb 16, 2010 | 02:11 PM
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Bargain pumps are OK for "emergency" use to keep a slow to medium-slow leaking RF tire inflated enough to enable patching. Any RF that has been driven at speed at zero air pressure will probably need replacing. As said above, it depends. I have been happy with several zero pressure events with my RFs.

As to 12v carry along pumps, I found a very high quality one at Griot's Garage. It runs about $60. It has a 16" cord (mine clips to the battery, the current one they show uses the cig lighter socket). and a 4' hose. The gage is only OK - it is a few lbs off, but I use a large dial gage for final pressure anyway.

I use this pump at the track for tire pressure adjustments. Pumps quickly and seems very solid.

A good 12v pump is essential if you ever go with non-RF tires (patch kit too).

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