C6 Vulnerable
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C6 Vulnerable
A friend sent me this by email. http://campaign.constantcontact.com/...7Trnmk0conQ%3D
Do you think it is possible with the C6? It looks like they got the RAV4 nailed down.
Do you think it is possible with the C6? It looks like they got the RAV4 nailed down.
Drifting
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As a precaution, whenever I am going to leave my C6 in a strange area, I always lock the doors with the door lock switch, and then close the door. This procedure activates the alarm system. I.E. I DON'T lock the car with my Remote.
This prevents someone from picking up and storing your Remote's signal as you leave the vehicle and lock the doors via your Remote.
M...
This prevents someone from picking up and storing your Remote's signal as you leave the vehicle and lock the doors via your Remote.
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As a precaution, whenever I am going to leave my C6 in a strange area, I always lock the doors with the door lock switch, and then close the door. This procedure activates the alarm system. I.E. I DON'T lock the car with my Remote.
This prevents someone from picking up and storing your Remote's signal as you leave the vehicle and lock the doors via your Remote.
M...
This prevents someone from picking up and storing your Remote's signal as you leave the vehicle and lock the doors via your Remote.
M...
You remote uses a rolling key scheme, recording one emission is of no value
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Fortunately, I'm not particularly worried about it. 
Sophisticated car thieves can steal virtually any car. A couple years ago hackers demonstrated to Texas Instrument engineers how their supposedly theft-proof 'keys' could be defeated.
Sophisticated car thieves can steal virtually any car. A couple years ago hackers demonstrated to Texas Instrument engineers how their supposedly theft-proof 'keys' could be defeated.
Racer
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I'm not worried about it either, but if you dig deaper in the links they specifically metion the 2006-2007 Corvette as being vulnerable.
http://vintrack.com/Relay%20Attack%2...etin%20SIU.pdf
http://vintrack.com/Relay%20Attack%2...etin%20SIU.pdf
Last edited by kwickag; Apr 21, 2010 at 10:15 PM. Reason: Added link
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I was guessing the Corvette is not as vulnerable. Amazing that the Camry is the highest stolen vehicle, ranked up there with the Accord/Civic every year. I can't picture someone getting too upset about their Camry being stolen anyway since it isn't that exciting of a car to drive or look at to begin with.
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Regardless of whether this particular device works with C6s, this technique will work. It's quite clever in its simplicity.
A summary if you don't want to sit through the video:
The thieves have two devices which are in radio contact with each other. One device is placed near the car, as if there was a fob near the car. The other device is placed near the fob, as if there were a car near the fob.
(ie, two people are needed - one to break into the car, the other to inconspicuously follow the owner so as to keep one device near their fob).
The two devices act as a radio signal relay station, boosting the range of the fob and car transmissions, enabling your car and fob to talk to each other as normal, but over a much greater distance than usual, and (presumably) without your knowledge that the range has been boosted.
So the car checks for the fob, detects it, and operates as if the fob were present. Because the fob really is present.
So to defeat this attack:
Be suspicious of people who try to follow you quite closely
Put your fob in a tinfoil-lined pocket when not in use
Failing that, Onstar/Lowjack, and a big friend called Gary, with a baseball bat.
A summary if you don't want to sit through the video:
The thieves have two devices which are in radio contact with each other. One device is placed near the car, as if there was a fob near the car. The other device is placed near the fob, as if there were a car near the fob.
(ie, two people are needed - one to break into the car, the other to inconspicuously follow the owner so as to keep one device near their fob).
The two devices act as a radio signal relay station, boosting the range of the fob and car transmissions, enabling your car and fob to talk to each other as normal, but over a much greater distance than usual, and (presumably) without your knowledge that the range has been boosted.
So the car checks for the fob, detects it, and operates as if the fob were present. Because the fob really is present.
So to defeat this attack:
Be suspicious of people who try to follow you quite closely
Put your fob in a tinfoil-lined pocket when not in use
Failing that, Onstar/Lowjack, and a big friend called Gary, with a baseball bat.
Drifting
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From: DFW TX
THIS IS A HUGE POTENTIAL SECURITY PROBLEM. 
Exerpt:
During the past several years there have been some issues and concerns over Smart Key design faults which can make the vehicles vulnerable to theft (such as the 2006-2007 Corvette and Cadillac systems).
Over the last five years there has been an increase in reported thefts of vehicles equipped with Smart Key systems by organized crime rings utilizing high-tech equipment, particularly in Eastern Europe, Russia, Spain, Germany and Malaysia. These are generally luxury vehicles and/or high demand vehicles including all-wheel drive vehicles which are desired in, and exported to, a variety of countries outside the US. Suspects involved in this type of theft have associates operating in North America.
High-tech tools have been recovered by law enforcement throughout Europe. These tools are designed to bypass or fool immobilizer/transponder systems. One Smart Key tool in particular has been used in what is described as a “Relay Attack”. (For a partial list of vehicles with Smart Key systems visit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_key, contact your forensic locksmith, or contact us for a complete transponder list).
Exerpt:
During the past several years there have been some issues and concerns over Smart Key design faults which can make the vehicles vulnerable to theft (such as the 2006-2007 Corvette and Cadillac systems).
Over the last five years there has been an increase in reported thefts of vehicles equipped with Smart Key systems by organized crime rings utilizing high-tech equipment, particularly in Eastern Europe, Russia, Spain, Germany and Malaysia. These are generally luxury vehicles and/or high demand vehicles including all-wheel drive vehicles which are desired in, and exported to, a variety of countries outside the US. Suspects involved in this type of theft have associates operating in North America.
High-tech tools have been recovered by law enforcement throughout Europe. These tools are designed to bypass or fool immobilizer/transponder systems. One Smart Key tool in particular has been used in what is described as a “Relay Attack”. (For a partial list of vehicles with Smart Key systems visit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_key, contact your forensic locksmith, or contact us for a complete transponder list).
Last edited by spin-doktor; Apr 22, 2010 at 02:16 AM.
Pro
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The FOB illustrated in the trainign brochure is for a Corvette, and they specifically mention the Corvette in that bulletin. Click on the link for the training bulletin and you'll see what I mean.
Jim
Jim
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Although this technique should work for any push button start vehicle given the right frequency analysis, there are much easier, faster, and more reliable ways to take a C6.
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