Vette Accident
Melting Slicks
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From: Summerton SC
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QUOTE:
"So many times people are left without reminders in situations like this. What I mean is the majority of the time the person under the influence is in such a relaxed state that they end up with the light end of the injuries. They either walk away unscathed or with little injuries.
In this case this woman ended up with the bad end of the injuries and I truly hope she survives (in a positive long healthy life way) so her injuries can serve as a life long reminder of the lapse of judgement she happened to have because in her case I think this reminder will make her a better person. The reminder being a lost limb or scars."
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Well people, life is an ice cube ... it might be solid, melting, liquid - or gone. Every life is precious and no one ... not even YOU - is perfect, though from some of the rants here, you might be the Lord himself
. The vette might have made a mistake, or it could have been the other car, maybe the vette was going the speed limit or maybe she was going 190, who knows ... as I wasn't there. But know this, nothing is ever what it seems, even in a court of law ... or where you just born this morning? Thank goodness no one died as far as we know, and lessons will be learned. But chill with the judgement-day crap, unless you were there, okay. AND how about JUST a little compassion for the vette owner - on the CORVETTE FRIGGIN' FORUM. -Sorry, I have to tap out now
"So many times people are left without reminders in situations like this. What I mean is the majority of the time the person under the influence is in such a relaxed state that they end up with the light end of the injuries. They either walk away unscathed or with little injuries.
In this case this woman ended up with the bad end of the injuries and I truly hope she survives (in a positive long healthy life way) so her injuries can serve as a life long reminder of the lapse of judgement she happened to have because in her case I think this reminder will make her a better person. The reminder being a lost limb or scars."
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Well people, life is an ice cube ... it might be solid, melting, liquid - or gone. Every life is precious and no one ... not even YOU - is perfect, though from some of the rants here, you might be the Lord himself
. The vette might have made a mistake, or it could have been the other car, maybe the vette was going the speed limit or maybe she was going 190, who knows ... as I wasn't there. But know this, nothing is ever what it seems, even in a court of law ... or where you just born this morning? Thank goodness no one died as far as we know, and lessons will be learned. But chill with the judgement-day crap, unless you were there, okay. AND how about JUST a little compassion for the vette owner - on the CORVETTE FRIGGIN' FORUM. -Sorry, I have to tap out now
Burning Brakes
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From: Castleton VA
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Tragic for the people who had their car destroyed (one which suggests they have little money in the first place) and now need to find some way to get another to continue to function (get to work to keep a job, groceries, etc.) and recover their losses -- yes, the word tragedy may fit.
Tragic that a life (the drunk's) has been thrown away? Yes, in one sense: what a waste of human potential.
But tragic in the sense of what she will face in the future? If the reported facts turn out to be true, no way that's "tragic" -- she made a horrific choice, and it will have horrific consequences. That's not tragedy, that's facing the consequences of your own choices.
Last edited by mneblett; Jul 20, 2011 at 10:26 PM.
Burning Brakes
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I'm certainly not perfect, but I have no compunction about pointing at her (again, assuming the reported facts are true) and saying you should be put away for many years.
Race Director
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From: Houston TX
my point was it's tragic the woman driving the 'Vette was just not able to exercise proper judgement
about her circumstances & behavior...she should have never gotten into the car after drinking.
about her circumstances & behavior...she should have never gotten into the car after drinking.
Melting Slicks
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From: Summerton SC
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So because she was driving a 'vette, we should give her a break when coming within a couple feet of killing someone??
I'm certainly not perfect, but I have no compunction about pointing at her (again, assuming the reported facts are true) and saying you should be put away for many years.
I'm certainly not perfect, but I have no compunction about pointing at her (again, assuming the reported facts are true) and saying you should be put away for many years.
Were you there? Who knows what happened? You do?
Advanced
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From: portland oregon
If you follow the original link to the news story the first comment following the story is as follows:
"It is no excuse i make for this woman.But i learn today this woman was the wife of my freind who Passed from Cancer 14 months ago..She was a strong professional woman who drank rarely in her marriage of nearly 30 years..She a Registered Nurse who really took care of her husband during his battle with Cancer.Which he finally sucumb to after nearly a 1 and 1/2 year battle..I can tell you thatshe was very much in love with her husband and she seems to have lost the only true family she had we he passed..I think she just spiraled down after his death..This is not her character prior to his death..A happily married professional woman.This is noexcuse and i feel blessed that the other involved were not seriously hurt..I just hought id wriet and give some perspective on her ..I know its not once gain a excuse but i thought id put more of a human face on her so some not to forgive her poor judgement, but to understand this is not the woman we knew happily married for 30 years..She now due to her internal pain the last 14 months has possibly paid with her life or destroyed her life what she had left of it.I ask that maybe we just pray for her now at this time.."
My only reason for posting this is that we in this country are often very judgmental with little real information - it's all about our feelings. This additional info doesn't change the fact that she was in the wrong and will no doubt pay a terrible price even if she survives. Knowing more of the background makes me just want to say a prayer for her and the other people involved.
A couple of years go I made my living in part working with fire depts. all over the country. I always asked about their most memorable Vette wreck that they worked. They all had at least one. It was kind of sobering because in general our cars are like airplanes: they drive (fly) great, but they don't crash worth a s--t.
Be safe out there and hopefully you will never know this kind of pain and anguish. I pray I can avoid it (again) and that the people I love remain safe.
"It is no excuse i make for this woman.But i learn today this woman was the wife of my freind who Passed from Cancer 14 months ago..She was a strong professional woman who drank rarely in her marriage of nearly 30 years..She a Registered Nurse who really took care of her husband during his battle with Cancer.Which he finally sucumb to after nearly a 1 and 1/2 year battle..I can tell you thatshe was very much in love with her husband and she seems to have lost the only true family she had we he passed..I think she just spiraled down after his death..This is not her character prior to his death..A happily married professional woman.This is noexcuse and i feel blessed that the other involved were not seriously hurt..I just hought id wriet and give some perspective on her ..I know its not once gain a excuse but i thought id put more of a human face on her so some not to forgive her poor judgement, but to understand this is not the woman we knew happily married for 30 years..She now due to her internal pain the last 14 months has possibly paid with her life or destroyed her life what she had left of it.I ask that maybe we just pray for her now at this time.."
My only reason for posting this is that we in this country are often very judgmental with little real information - it's all about our feelings. This additional info doesn't change the fact that she was in the wrong and will no doubt pay a terrible price even if she survives. Knowing more of the background makes me just want to say a prayer for her and the other people involved.
A couple of years go I made my living in part working with fire depts. all over the country. I always asked about their most memorable Vette wreck that they worked. They all had at least one. It was kind of sobering because in general our cars are like airplanes: they drive (fly) great, but they don't crash worth a s--t.
Be safe out there and hopefully you will never know this kind of pain and anguish. I pray I can avoid it (again) and that the people I love remain safe.
Race Director
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From: Houston TX
...maybe she was trying to kill herself ? depressed and emotionally distraught, all accentuated by the alcohol ?
doesn't change anything, but one always wonders what goes through someone else's mind...
doesn't change anything, but one always wonders what goes through someone else's mind...
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Exactly.
Unless a number of posters here have some magical gift of seeing into the future, or have a crystal gazing ball..then they are talking out their ***.
No one knows what happened, how intoxicated (or if she was intoxicated) etc.
Thats what blood tests and crash investigations are for.
Drinking and driving should never be tolerated, but to laugh at or wish ill on another human being who's been involved in a life altering accident shouldn't be tolerated either.
Unless a number of posters here have some magical gift of seeing into the future, or have a crystal gazing ball..then they are talking out their ***.
No one knows what happened, how intoxicated (or if she was intoxicated) etc.
Thats what blood tests and crash investigations are for.
Drinking and driving should never be tolerated, but to laugh at or wish ill on another human being who's been involved in a life altering accident shouldn't be tolerated either.
Drifting
Joined: Jun 2011
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From: Anthem AZ
I can not believe all of the apologists for this woman -- this was not a case of an "unfortunate" occurrance that "befell" her.
She made the deliberate choice to put herself in an impaired state, and then drive a more than 1 1/2 ton *weapon* in a manner which demonstrated a total, callous disregard for anyone but herself -- certainly no regard for the *tremendous*, life-changing harm she could do to others.
I'm not advocating it, but it would be merciful if she were not to survive, as living in a brain-damaged state with any signficant awareness has to be be one of the worst of the levels of Hell.
That said, if she does survive in a manner in which she could lead a productive life, then the only "example" I want to see set in this case is the example of her being put away for 15-20 years to contemplate the horror of her actions.
IMO, what she did was nothing short of attempted murder, using her vehicle as the weapon -- the penalty for such deliberate conduct should be just as strong as if she lunged at someone with a knife, or started shooting in a crowded mall. Time to stop listening to defendants and their DUI lawyers saying "oh pity her, she didn't *mean* to do it -- and she feels real bad about it now." B___ S___! Do as other countries have done -- if you want to be serious about reducing DUI's, get serious about enforcing the law.
And for those of you that want to respond with a pious "I hope you're never in such trouble someday!" -- save it. Either I won't be in such trouble because I don't do reckless things like this drunk did, or if I really do something horrific, I should be punished accordingly.
p.s. -- Once this (yet another drunk's) medical insurance is capped out, who do you think gets to pick up the tab -- several thousand times a year in this country?
She made the deliberate choice to put herself in an impaired state, and then drive a more than 1 1/2 ton *weapon* in a manner which demonstrated a total, callous disregard for anyone but herself -- certainly no regard for the *tremendous*, life-changing harm she could do to others.
I'm not advocating it, but it would be merciful if she were not to survive, as living in a brain-damaged state with any signficant awareness has to be be one of the worst of the levels of Hell.
That said, if she does survive in a manner in which she could lead a productive life, then the only "example" I want to see set in this case is the example of her being put away for 15-20 years to contemplate the horror of her actions.
IMO, what she did was nothing short of attempted murder, using her vehicle as the weapon -- the penalty for such deliberate conduct should be just as strong as if she lunged at someone with a knife, or started shooting in a crowded mall. Time to stop listening to defendants and their DUI lawyers saying "oh pity her, she didn't *mean* to do it -- and she feels real bad about it now." B___ S___! Do as other countries have done -- if you want to be serious about reducing DUI's, get serious about enforcing the law.
And for those of you that want to respond with a pious "I hope you're never in such trouble someday!" -- save it. Either I won't be in such trouble because I don't do reckless things like this drunk did, or if I really do something horrific, I should be punished accordingly.
p.s. -- Once this (yet another drunk's) medical insurance is capped out, who do you think gets to pick up the tab -- several thousand times a year in this country?
Would I be so kind had she killed or hurt me or mine. No. I am human.
I don't know very many people that are my age that have not made terrible errors in judgement. I got away with mine so far. How about you?
Le Mans Master
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From: Cumming, GA
Sure are a ton of bonehead comments in here. 
A 1994 Bonneville gets cut in half, LITERALLY, by a flimsy fiberglass Corvette and there is question as to whether she was going 45mph or 100mph+? Wow, you guys need to use some common sense!
To those that commented about the left hand turn have you never made a turn and realized mid-turn "crap, that car is hauling some a$$" and had to hurry out of the way? Oh, well if you haven't that probably means you wait till traffic is clear for a freakin' mile before you make a turn; love those drivers!
I wasn't there so I can't comment on anymore than what the press/police have stated but based on the photos alone it seems pretty clear to me the Corvette was doing well over the posted speed for such a street. Was she intoxicated? Don't know but it sure sounds like it and that's not too hard to prove I would assume.
A 1994 Bonneville gets cut in half, LITERALLY, by a flimsy fiberglass Corvette and there is question as to whether she was going 45mph or 100mph+? Wow, you guys need to use some common sense!
To those that commented about the left hand turn have you never made a turn and realized mid-turn "crap, that car is hauling some a$$" and had to hurry out of the way? Oh, well if you haven't that probably means you wait till traffic is clear for a freakin' mile before you make a turn; love those drivers!
I wasn't there so I can't comment on anymore than what the press/police have stated but based on the photos alone it seems pretty clear to me the Corvette was doing well over the posted speed for such a street. Was she intoxicated? Don't know but it sure sounds like it and that's not too hard to prove I would assume.
Drifting
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From: Melbourne, Arkansas
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If you follow the original link to the news story the first comment following the story is as follows:
"It is no excuse i make for this woman.But i learn today this woman was the wife of my freind who Passed from Cancer 14 months ago..She was a strong professional woman who drank rarely in her marriage of nearly 30 years..She a Registered Nurse who really took care of her husband during his battle with Cancer.Which he finally sucumb to after nearly a 1 and 1/2 year battle..I can tell you thatshe was very much in love with her husband and she seems to have lost the only true family she had we he passed..I think she just spiraled down after his death..This is not her character prior to his death..A happily married professional woman.This is noexcuse and i feel blessed that the other involved were not seriously hurt..I just hought id wriet and give some perspective on her ..I know its not once gain a excuse but i thought id put more of a human face on her so some not to forgive her poor judgement, but to understand this is not the woman we knew happily married for 30 years..She now due to her internal pain the last 14 months has possibly paid with her life or destroyed her life what she had left of it.I ask that maybe we just pray for her now at this time.."
My only reason for posting this is that we in this country are often very judgmental with little real information - it's all about our feelings. This additional info doesn't change the fact that she was in the wrong and will no doubt pay a terrible price even if she survives. Knowing more of the background makes me just want to say a prayer for her and the other people involved.
A couple of years go I made my living in part working with fire depts. all over the country. I always asked about their most memorable Vette wreck that they worked. They all had at least one. It was kind of sobering because in general our cars are like airplanes: they drive (fly) great, but they don't crash worth a s--t.
Be safe out there and hopefully you will never know this kind of pain and anguish. I pray I can avoid it (again) and that the people I love remain safe.
"It is no excuse i make for this woman.But i learn today this woman was the wife of my freind who Passed from Cancer 14 months ago..She was a strong professional woman who drank rarely in her marriage of nearly 30 years..She a Registered Nurse who really took care of her husband during his battle with Cancer.Which he finally sucumb to after nearly a 1 and 1/2 year battle..I can tell you thatshe was very much in love with her husband and she seems to have lost the only true family she had we he passed..I think she just spiraled down after his death..This is not her character prior to his death..A happily married professional woman.This is noexcuse and i feel blessed that the other involved were not seriously hurt..I just hought id wriet and give some perspective on her ..I know its not once gain a excuse but i thought id put more of a human face on her so some not to forgive her poor judgement, but to understand this is not the woman we knew happily married for 30 years..She now due to her internal pain the last 14 months has possibly paid with her life or destroyed her life what she had left of it.I ask that maybe we just pray for her now at this time.."
My only reason for posting this is that we in this country are often very judgmental with little real information - it's all about our feelings. This additional info doesn't change the fact that she was in the wrong and will no doubt pay a terrible price even if she survives. Knowing more of the background makes me just want to say a prayer for her and the other people involved.
A couple of years go I made my living in part working with fire depts. all over the country. I always asked about their most memorable Vette wreck that they worked. They all had at least one. It was kind of sobering because in general our cars are like airplanes: they drive (fly) great, but they don't crash worth a s--t.
Be safe out there and hopefully you will never know this kind of pain and anguish. I pray I can avoid it (again) and that the people I love remain safe.
Thoughts and prayers to all involved!!
Mark
Drifting
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From: Melbourne, Arkansas
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Exactly.
Unless a number of posters here have some magical gift of seeing into the future, or have a crystal gazing ball..then they are talking out their ***.
No one knows what happened, how intoxicated (or if she was intoxicated) etc.
Thats what blood tests and crash investigations are for.
Drinking and driving should never be tolerated, but to laugh at or wish ill on another human being who's been involved in a life altering accident shouldn't be tolerated either.
Unless a number of posters here have some magical gift of seeing into the future, or have a crystal gazing ball..then they are talking out their ***.
No one knows what happened, how intoxicated (or if she was intoxicated) etc.
Thats what blood tests and crash investigations are for.
Drinking and driving should never be tolerated, but to laugh at or wish ill on another human being who's been involved in a life altering accident shouldn't be tolerated either.
Mark
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Sure are a ton of bonehead comments in here.
A 1994 Bonneville gets cut in half, LITERALLY, by a flimsy fiberglass Corvette and there is question as to whether she was going 45mph or 100mph+? Wow, you guys need to use some common sense!
To those that commented about the left hand turn have you never made a turn and realized mid-turn "crap, that car is hauling some a$$" and had to hurry out of the way? Oh, well if you haven't that probably means you wait till traffic is clear for a freakin' mile before you make a turn; love those drivers!
I wasn't there so I can't comment on anymore than what the press/police have stated but based on the photos alone it seems pretty clear to me the Corvette was doing well over the posted speed for such a street. Was she intoxicated? Don't know but it sure sounds like it and that's not too hard to prove I would assume.
A 1994 Bonneville gets cut in half, LITERALLY, by a flimsy fiberglass Corvette and there is question as to whether she was going 45mph or 100mph+? Wow, you guys need to use some common sense!
To those that commented about the left hand turn have you never made a turn and realized mid-turn "crap, that car is hauling some a$$" and had to hurry out of the way? Oh, well if you haven't that probably means you wait till traffic is clear for a freakin' mile before you make a turn; love those drivers!
I wasn't there so I can't comment on anymore than what the press/police have stated but based on the photos alone it seems pretty clear to me the Corvette was doing well over the posted speed for such a street. Was she intoxicated? Don't know but it sure sounds like it and that's not too hard to prove I would assume.
If the bleeding hearts don't understand that the serious amount of damage incurred can not occur in a 35 or so MPH crash, oh well. And the speed is clearly stated by the police as "faster than 100 mph at the time of the crash". Police can't say the 'vette driver was drunk until blood test are completed, but when they state "while allegedly under the influence of alcohol", you can bet your last dollar she was drunk.
All the 'proof' will emerge in due time.
Drifting
Joined: Jul 2009
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From: Sioux Falls South Dakota
Exactly.
Unless a number of posters here have some magical gift of seeing into the future, or have a crystal gazing ball..then they are talking out their ***.
No one knows what happened, how intoxicated (or if she was intoxicated) etc.
Thats what blood tests and crash investigations are for.
Drinking and driving should never be tolerated, but to laugh at or wish ill on another human being who's been involved in a life altering accident shouldn't be tolerated either.
Unless a number of posters here have some magical gift of seeing into the future, or have a crystal gazing ball..then they are talking out their ***.
No one knows what happened, how intoxicated (or if she was intoxicated) etc.
Thats what blood tests and crash investigations are for.
Drinking and driving should never be tolerated, but to laugh at or wish ill on another human being who's been involved in a life altering accident shouldn't be tolerated either.
This woman will have plenty of reminders (scars, healing, therapy, memories, etc) that she'll carry with her for the rest of the life that will serve as far better judgement and a much better inner voice / guidepost than any one of us could possibly have with the posts being made here.
At the end of the day she's a human being and has been through a horrific tragedy no matter the circumstance and we need some human compassion verses criticism in these types of situations.
After all, we all make mistakes don't we?
Le Mans Master
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From: Cumming, GA
But my guess is you've never searched for a grounding place to wire something up. You'd be surprised by how little solid metal there really is on our cars.
Race Director
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From: Phila Suburbs 2023 C8 & 2013 650ix
Well, that frame is like a battering ram with those steel side rails. Look at the Vette upside down, the frame has barely moved and it cut the other car in half.
