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Old 08-06-2011, 04:17 PM
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Default Are the "Tintcoat" paints a pearl type paint?

Were(2009/2010 etc.) the extra cost colors like Velocity Yellow, Atomic Orange, Magnetic Red and Jetstream Blue a "pearl type paint" ?

Do those colors, change like a pearl in different light conditions?

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I have the premium Crystal Red Metallic Tintcoat (2009) and I wouldn't say it changes color in the light like some paints I've seen, although the reflective "metallic" nature of the paint obviously comes alive in the sun.
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They are all three-stage paints (base coat, tint coat, clear coat) vs. two-stage (base coat, clear coat). They cost more because it requires more steps and therefore higher manufacturing costs.
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I think the JSB appears to vary its hue in different lighting conditions...a condition of the metallic flaking in the paint.

I like it...

suspect the other tintcoats behave similarly...
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Velocity Yellow is just yellow, no sparkles.
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thanks for clarifying...
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Originally Posted by Thrill6
They are all three-stage paints (base coat, tint coat, clear coat) vs. two-stage (base coat, clear coat). They cost more because it requires more steps and therefore higher manufacturing costs.
Actually this is incorrect. Every car painted in Bowling Green is painted with a primer, a color coat and a clear coat. The premium tint coat cars use a tinted clear coat to affect a change on the final color as viewed. They cost more because there are only two clear coat robots in the paint shop and in order to paint a tint coat car they need to purge and clean the robots, spray the tintcoat panels and then purge and clean the robots to go back to conventional clar.
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Originally Posted by Thrill6
They are all three-stage paints (base coat, tint coat, clear coat) vs. two-stage (base coat, clear coat). They cost more because it requires more steps and therefore higher manufacturing costs.
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Originally Posted by talon90
Actually this is incorrect. Every car painted in Bowling Green is painted with a primer, a color coat and a clear coat. The premium tint coat cars use a tinted clear coat to affect a change on the final color as viewed. They cost more because there are only two clear coat robots in the paint shop and in order to paint a tint coat car they need to purge and clean the robots, spray the tintcoat panels and then purge and clean the robots to go back to conventional clar.
This man knows what he is talking about. How refreshing!
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Paul knows and is pretty much the last word.
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mine is the crystal red tint coat, i haven't seen any pearlescent in it, but the metallic part is really cool, the flakes are the part that shoot out a color blast, this color really "pops" in the sun
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These colors are also the hardest to match later on. Atomic Orange is extremely hard especially since they had different shades of it.

My wife's vehicle is an 09 GMC Yukon XL Denali with a White Diamond Tricoat. Looks fantastic but I've already been told I don't want to repaint a single area.
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Originally Posted by talon90
Actually this is incorrect. Every car painted in Bowling Green is painted with a primer, a color coat and a clear coat. The premium tint coat cars use a tinted clear coat to affect a change on the final color as viewed. They cost more because there are only two clear coat robots in the paint shop and in order to paint a tint coat car they need to purge and clean the robots, spray the tintcoat panels and then purge and clean the robots to go back to conventional clar.
While I do agree with your definition of the 3-step process, I am not buying that GM is charging more because of the color change sequence that takes place for the tinted clear. As far as I now, Bowling Green does not "batch paint" in the basecoat zone (painting several vehicles of the same color before changing to a new color), so that purge and refill sequence(color change) is going on all day in basecoat. I would think that the simple reason is nothing more than the tinted clear is used less (lower volume/higher cost) and just costs more to produce.
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Originally Posted by Swiftrider08
While I do agree with your definition of the 3-step process, I am not buying that GM is charging more because of the color change sequence that takes place for the tinted clear. As far as I now, Bowling Green does not "batch paint" in the basecoat zone (painting several vehicles of the same color before changing to a new color), so that purge and refill sequence(color change) is going on all day in basecoat. I would think that the simple reason is nothing more than the tinted clear is used less (lower volume/higher cost) and just costs more to produce.
The other reason is profit. GM charges more for these colors on the C6 because they can. People still order them so its easy money for GM. Consider also that the EXACT same colors are available on lesser GM products with no upcharge. If you want it you are going to pay for it.
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many car manufacturers tack on $500-1000 charges for "premium" paints....not just GM!
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Originally Posted by b4i4getit
Consider also that the EXACT same colors are available on lesser GM products with no upcharge.
Not sure about many other models, but Chevrolet charges $325 for the Crystal Red Metallic on the Cruze, a much cheaper car. Also, the Black Granite on the Cruze is $195 extra.

W/o checking every model, I would bet that if they are upcharging for it on the Cruze where there is very little margin and on the Corvette with a much better margin ratio, they are doing it on all models.


ETA: A quick check of the site shows Chevrolet charges the same price across all models for the tintcoat and black granite finishes. Also, the White Diamond color is $995. Buick also charges the same, with the exception of the White Diamond on the Enclave, its only $795 there. I'd guess that's because it's much smaller than the full sized Avalanche that Chevy paints that color. Seems like they have set a standard for these colors.

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Originally Posted by Swiftrider08
While I do agree with your definition of the 3-step process, I am not buying that GM is charging more because of the color change sequence that takes place for the tinted clear. As far as I now, Bowling Green does not "batch paint" in the basecoat zone (painting several vehicles of the same color before changing to a new color), so that purge and refill sequence(color change) is going on all day in basecoat. I would think that the simple reason is nothing more than the tinted clear is used less (lower volume/higher cost) and just costs more to produce.
Actually, they do in fact batch paint and you can see it anytime you enter the assembly plant (even on a public tour). As trucks are coming from the paint line out on to the final conveyer prior to inspection you will see sleds of the same color as far as the eye can see in groups and then a new group of colors will emerge. You can also see it in evidence on the line as groups of 10 or 11 of the same color in progression on the line.

Of course and I do agree that there is a price difference between the tint coat and conventional clear as well as the lower volume of course comes in to play but it is reflected in the form of a higher upcharge when compared to all of the other models using the same paint ($850 for Crystal Red on the Corvette as compared to $325 on the Camaro, Cruze and HHR for example.

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Originally Posted by m R g S r
many car manufacturers tack on $500-1000 charges for "premium" paints....not just GM!
Just because they do does not make it right. The actual cost to the manufacturer is minimal. This is profit making pure and simple. That so many of us get swayed to pay more for a color is interesting. You will find that on resale the extra cost you paid for a certain color does not matter. That money could have been better spent on options that may increase value and satisfaction for the car.
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Originally Posted by b4i4getit
Just because they do does not make it right. The actual cost to the manufacturer is minimal. This is profit making pure and simple. That so many of us get swayed to pay more for a color is interesting.
Are you sure? That's hard to backup unless you're an insider and know the impact on the process. Those colors may require additional inspection and add to the procedures that are normally used. Also, they may have a higher percentage of failure/issues, or just plain material cost. It could be any number of things, including knowing that some people will just pay for it, so why not? This is still a free market and the market sets the price.

Without being able to see the actual BOM cost it's all speculation.
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And then you have the Supersonic Blue (SSB) ... I don't believe it is a "tintcoat", but it costs an extra $300.


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