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Old Oct 22, 2011 | 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Racer
If it isn't an issue with the cars, why can't ya just hit third instead of making sure you do this and do that and open palm it etc. etc. Hundreds of threads on this subject, I am saying it is a problem with the shifter. I am not saying there isn't a way around it, I am saying you shouldn't have to work around it, if you want to hold the shifter as designed you should be able to hit third when your bouncing the tach off the rev limiter doing your best to control the beast as the 750 hp has the back end hung out wide and your blowing a Viper into the weeds on a closed course (of course.)
Not saying you have to work around it. Any car with more than 4 speeds should be shifted that way. Jamming gears from 2nd to 3rd with the full force of your arm went out with the 4 speed. The only reason it works there is you can't overpower and get the wrong gate since there isn't any on the other side.

As for me I want to be able to toss the shifter from 2nd to 3rd and from 4th to 5th and the aftermarket shifters with their added springs are a detriment when it comes to shifting from 4th to 5th or when going from 3rd to 2nd on a downshift. Been there done that and got rid of the piece of junk.

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Old Oct 22, 2011 | 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by thirtythird
You should have PMd the person or the moderator, IMHO.

Because...

OMFG means "oh my freaking gosh" as far as I know.

Back on topic, I think a lot of the comments here did explain how to do a proper 2-3 shift using the palm and not the fist.
Maybe "OMFG" means: "O my fudgy goo"? Give me a break, I spent 4 years in the USN and I'm not a prude. However any referrence to God should not be in that context.
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Old Oct 22, 2011 | 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill Dearborn
Not saying you have to work around it. Any car with more than 4 speeds should be shifted that way. Jamming gears from 2nd to 3rd with the full force of your arm went out with the 4 speed. The only reason it works there is you can't overpower and get the wrong gate since there isn't any on the other side.

As for me I want to be able to toss the shifter from 2nd to 3rd and from 4th to 5th and the aftermarket shifters with their added springs are a detriment when it comes to shifting from 4th to 5th or when going from 3rd to 2nd on a downshift. Been there done that and got rid of the piece of junk.

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OK, but in your experience, did they (aftermarket) shift from 2-3 better? Or do you honestly believe your method works 100% everytime? I will start trying to concentrate on your method and see if it works, but I would like 100% success, not 70%.
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Old Oct 22, 2011 | 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Larry/car
The best way to shift into third is to let the centering springs do their job, then just slide the lever forward. Actually a fairly fast process and you want accidentally miss a gear. My car is the best shifting manual I ever owned.
just tap it out of 2nd and it will be sitting right in front of third then just push it in . Dont BULL it in just push it in

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Old Oct 22, 2011 | 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill Dearborn
Not saying you have to work around it. Any car with more than 4 speeds should be shifted that way. Jamming gears from 2nd to 3rd with the full force of your arm went out with the 4 speed. The only reason it works there is you can't overpower and get the wrong gate since there isn't any on the other side.

As for me I want to be able to toss the shifter from 2nd to 3rd and from 4th to 5th and the aftermarket shifters with their added springs are a detriment when it comes to shifting from 4th to 5th or when going from 3rd to 2nd on a downshift. Been there done that and got rid of the piece of junk.

Bill

Actually, this now got me to thinking. I respect your shifting and advice but I am now thinking...your a road racer, I have watched many road racers and they don't shift with the speed of a drag racer, they don't have to, they shift quickly and smoothly, but it is not the same shift as I am talking about.
I can hit 3rd everytime when I am stretching its legs and accelerating under control. I tend to get caught up in the middle when, as I have said before so bear with me.... "I am full throttle bouncing the tach off the rev limiter because the tires are spinning, the car is sideways and now I need third gear NOW"!! To me, those are two different shifts all together. It just seems to not want to react the same when it needs to. Am I wrong? Will your method give 100% 2-3 shift in that scenario.
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Old Oct 22, 2011 | 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by z06clif
just tap it out of 2nd and it will be sitting right in front of third then just push it in . Dont BULL it in just push it in

Clif
This sounds so time consuming, I think have these suggestions are for moderate shifting and not speed shifting. I don't have time to "tap it out of 2nd".......when the car is at 6500 and you need third gear RIGHT NOW! Your scenario sounds like a nice aggressive drive through the mountains, which again, is not the same as I am talking about, I can hit that shift everytime.
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Old Oct 22, 2011 | 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by 5.4ever
Quick question guys. Ive noticed that when Im hitting full throttle in 2nd gear in my 05 M6, It seems to not want to go into 3rd gear. Let me explain

Earlier, I was doing some spirited sprints. When I was gunning in 2nd and grabbed 3rd, the gear goes in but the car revs freely like as if it were in neutral. IT IS NOT in neutral because when I try to pull the shifter down, it wont go to neutral, but it isnt in gear either

Is this a problem I have or is it some jibberish vette saftey thing GM installed? thanks
Hmm thats really weird. I have an 09 and I've gunned it from 2nd into 3rd with no problem. To be honest, I've never missed a gear so I am kind of confused on how you can miss it going from 2nd the 3rd???
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Old Oct 22, 2011 | 07:29 PM
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When you try to force a shift really fast by gripping the shifter hard, you actually end up shifting slower and certainly less precisely than if you simply flick from gear to gear. Try finesse instead of force and you will never miss third, and will go through the gears, up or down, a lot faster.
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Old Oct 22, 2011 | 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Richie Fazio
Hmm thats really weird. I have an 09 and I've gunned it from 2nd into 3rd with no problem. To be honest, I've never missed a gear so I am kind of confused on how you can miss it going from 2nd the 3rd???
So you are confused by all the posts in this thread that agree and the hundreds of threads on this exact subject?
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Old Oct 22, 2011 | 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Racer
So you are confused by all the posts in this thread that agree and the hundreds of threads on this exact subject?
A lot of people are ham fisted and never really master the art of shifting; thus many get frustrated and end up going to an automatic.
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Old Oct 22, 2011 | 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by laconiajack
A lot of people are ham fisted and never really master the art of shifting; thus many get frustrated and end up going to an automatic.
Some peoples opinions are not needed or wanted..
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Old Oct 22, 2011 | 07:47 PM
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This is my 4th vette and NEVER had that problem.

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Old Oct 22, 2011 | 08:09 PM
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I had that issue in my 05.I seem to recall a synchro issue was thrown around back then.It's not you,it's definitely the tranny.
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Old Oct 22, 2011 | 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Racer
Some peoples opinions are not needed or wanted..
It is interesting that simply because you haven't mastered certain driving skills, you refuse to believe other have. Perhaps if you spent less time making disparaging remarks to others on this Forum, and miore on practicing your driving, you might become more capable, and thus no longer miss shifts.
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Old Oct 22, 2011 | 09:11 PM
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Short of any mechanical problem you might be 'locking' the shift by simply being too tense and trying to shift too fast. Even at WOT relax...don't get a death grip on the shifter...slow down and give the shifter a 'suggestion' towards 3rd gear...guide it towards 3rd and it'll find its way there. Finesse it...make more relaxed shifts and the speed will increase with practice.
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Old Oct 22, 2011 | 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Racer
This is a big problem with these cars, I am currently going through it with my ZR1, I hate it. To those who know, does the MGW shifter help this problem specifically?


Originally Posted by Racer
The 1-4 was not a safety feature, it was so the Vette could attain a certain gas mileage figure to avoid being taxed as a gas guzzler.
Either way, its a "feature" that i was completely ignorant to, and It freaked me out

Originally Posted by Larry/car
The best way to shift into third is to let the centering springs do their job, then just slide the lever forward. Actually a fairly fast process and you want accidentally miss a gear. My car is the best shifting manual I ever owned.
You must understand that when drag racing, those few milliseconds it takes to do this could be the difference between winning and losing

Originally Posted by carl3989
I find it bad enough when people use "OMG". However as a Christian I consider "OMFG" obscene to the extent as is unimaginable if it means what I assume it does. Therefor I would wish you reconsider before posting such an offensive acronym as that in the future.
GTFO here... know that one?????

the F and the G dont mean what you think...
Please try not to be so butthurt about whats said on the net, it isnt good for u

Originally Posted by CrvtBB
The open palm method is the way to go. I had a chance to drive with Johnny O'Connell a few years back and he told me the surest way to miss the 2-3 shift is to try to fist the shifter. Use the meaty part of your palm and just let the springs do the work. Oh -- and yes, the MGW shifter helps, but will still get caught up if you try to fist it at WOT.
Again, Im sure this method is perfect for regular riding and even when having a little fun, but not when youre trying to get the most out of your car

Originally Posted by Racer
I disagree, that it is 100% driver error, the design of the shifter is ****** at best, I have driven a lot of manuals and never had to adapt to a special method for trying to hit 3rd gear, it should go in no matter how you hold it. There are a thousand threads on this problem since the C5, are we all wrong?


Originally Posted by Mad*Max
I know, and this shift is critical to get up to a good speed fast.
EXACTLY!!!!

Originally Posted by thirtythird
You should have PMd the person or the moderator, IMHO.

Because...

OMFG means "oh my freaking gosh" as far as I know.

Back on topic, I think a lot of the comments here did explain how to do a proper 2-3 shift using the palm and not the fist.


Originally Posted by WarDriver
Actually, my last Mustang (a 2003 "Terminator" Cobra) had the same "primitive" T56 transmission as my Corvette.
I owned an 03 and 04 terminator, one with the stock shifter and one I changed it for the pro ripper to an mgw... non of those three shifters ever did this. Either it went into gear or I completely missed it and stayed out of the gear.

The issue Im having is, IM GOING INTO GEAR BUT NO POWER! As if I missed but I didnt because it is in 3rd

Originally Posted by simplegto
Fist shift and it will go back into first gear and bend valves and cost a lot of money. I know this for sure. Open palm always to third and elbow out for forth.
Thats a risk in every manual tranny, you have to knwo ur tranny well enough to know how not to downshift it.

Im sure Im not downshfting it so your point it moot

Originally Posted by z06clif
just tap it out of 2nd and it will be sitting right in front of third then just push it in . Dont BULL it in just push it in

Again, this may not seem like it eats up time but it really does...

Clif
Originally Posted by Racer
, I think have these suggestions are for moderate shifting and not speed shifting. I don't have time to "tap it out of 2nd".......when the car is at 6500 and you need third gear RIGHT NOW! Your scenario sounds like a nice aggressive drive through the mountains, which again, is not the same as I am talking about, I can hit that shift everytime.


Originally Posted by ghostRder
This is my 4th vette and NEVER had that problem.

Good for you. Try powershifting it LOL

Originally Posted by Wayne O
Short of any mechanical problem you might be 'locking' the shift by simply being too tense and trying to shift too fast. Even at WOT relax...don't get a death grip on the shifter...slow down and give the shifter a 'suggestion' towards 3rd gear...guide it towards 3rd and it'll find its way there. Finesse it...make more relaxed shifts and the speed will increase with practice.
This actually sounds like the very first helpful post here. Although it shouldnt be an issue like this when shifting hard in ANY tranny, it does sound like what Im going through. But you would figure it would happen in every gear, since im ripping every shift harde, why only in 3rd
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Old Oct 22, 2011 | 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Larry/car
Well yes, as a matter of fact I have driven at wide open throttle, sometimes being smooth on the handling and operation of the car yields the fastest time at the finish line.
Can't help but ring in here. The only time I miss third, and yes I have, and have read how common it is, is when I'm just not quite ALL the way open. I've never missed it when I'm really beating it! Oh, and I use the open palm method (didn't know it had a name)

Practice practice practice
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Old Oct 22, 2011 | 10:11 PM
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Tremecs have had this issue all the way back to the 3550 and through the TKO series and so on.

I put a TKO in my mustang and had this issue big time. Switching to a Pro 5.0 shifter (Which had heavier springs) helped alot. Using this shifter and the palm technique I was fine after that.

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Old Oct 22, 2011 | 10:32 PM
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I agree with racer I have done a lot of drag racing in the past and the C5 -6 2nd to 3rd has always been hit or miss..I think I'm gona go wirh the mgw
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Originally Posted by laconiajack
It is interesting that simply because you haven't mastered certain driving skills, you refuse to believe other have. Perhaps if you spent less time making disparaging remarks to others on this Forum, and miore on practicing your driving, you might become more capable, and thus no longer miss shifts.
Actually Jacko if you were to actually read my posts you would see I am discussing this with a couple of guys right now. Guys I respect, unlike you...get lost...again.
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