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Old Nov 25, 2011 | 03:43 AM
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LC worked fine tonight with the M2W set to quiet mode. Didn't try it in loud mode, but i'll do both tomorrow night.
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Old Nov 25, 2011 | 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by sdurg24
My 2011 GS with M6, F55, and NPP (with Mild to Wild remote) has been a terrific car for me and the best of the 3 Corvettes i have owned but......the Launch Control feature has never worked for me. Finally a dedicated tech (Tom) from McMulkin Chevy in Nashua, NH has solved the problem. This may have implications for other similarly equipped 2011 and 2012 Vettes. Seems the Mild to Wild control interferes with the communication with the Launch Control when in the "loud" mode. In my GS the default mode of the Mild to Wild switch is in the loud mode whenever I start the car. In order to get to the quiet mode I have to press the remote. This is just fine with me as I love the sound and can make it quiet whenever I want. Little did I know that by using the Mild to Wild in the loud mode I was over riding the ability of the Launch Control to be set in motion since it can only work in the factory default quiet mode (which automatically goes to loud mode after about 3,700 RPM). Who woulda thunked it? Seemed to me that the loud mode made more sense for rapid accelleration but in acuality the RPM's rise over the 3,700 level when Launch Control is used. I haven't had the opportunity to test it out as I just beat the latest snowstorm back to the garage where my GS will spend most of the upcomming NH winter but I recently came back from Bob Bondurant School where I had the opportunity to try out the Launch Control several times on a new ZR1. Can't say enough about the ZR1, Bondurant, and especially Tom the Tech from McMulkin.
This is a good example of why dealers will sometimes ask the customer to restore a modified vehicle to its original condition, prior to diagnosing a problem. Sometimes it is the modification that causes the problem and the tech can waste a lot of time chasing the root cause, if he/she is not aware of the modification.

Glad the dealer was able to help.
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Old Nov 25, 2011 | 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by mjcourt
, I went to Bondurant last June and they never had us use LC. I wish they had. School was great though.
I was there in april. All 4 of us that had Tim Rose as an instructor, in the 2 day ZR1 class got to practice L.C.
Nobody else did.

Did you get some hot laps with Bob Bondurant, in a ZR1?
THAT was AWESOME!!
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Old Nov 25, 2011 | 07:22 AM
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I'll be interested to see if this really fixes the problem or not. I can't wrap my head around why that would cause it to not work, but I do admit that today's cars have very strange electronics and many functions are intertwined.
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Old Nov 25, 2011 | 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by sdurg24
My 2011 GS with M6, F55, and NPP (with Mild to Wild remote) has been a terrific car for me and the best of the 3 Corvettes i have owned but......the Launch Control feature has never worked for me. Finally a dedicated tech (Tom) from McMulkin Chevy in Nashua, NH has solved the problem. This may have implications for other similarly equipped 2011 and 2012 Vettes. Seems the Mild to Wild control interferes with the communication with the Launch Control when in the "loud" mode. In my GS the default mode of the Mild to Wild switch is in the loud mode whenever I start the car. In order to get to the quiet mode I have to press the remote. This is just fine with me as I love the sound and can make it quiet whenever I want. Little did I know that by using the Mild to Wild in the loud mode I was over riding the ability of the Launch Control to be set in motion since it can only work in the factory default quiet mode (which automatically goes to loud mode after about 3,700 RPM). Who woulda thunked it? Seemed to me that the loud mode made more sense for rapid accelleration but in acuality the RPM's rise over the 3,700 level when Launch Control is used. I haven't had the opportunity to test it out as I just beat the latest snowstorm back to the garage where my GS will spend most of the upcomming NH winter but I recently came back from Bob Bondurant School where I had the opportunity to try out the Launch Control several times on a new ZR1. Can't say enough about the ZR1, Bondurant, and especially Tom the Tech from McMulkin.
Great info!

I also have an NPP remote but no launch control.
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Old Nov 25, 2011 | 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Joe_G
The launch control is useless at the drag strip. 2.3 60 foots in my limited observations.


The only thing the LC is good for is not having to worry about banging off the rev limiter during the inevitable smokey burnout. At least,that was my experience with it on a GS on two seperate occasions. Haven't tried it on a Z06/ZR1.
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Old Nov 25, 2011 | 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Fort Rucker
It starts in the loud mode even if it's in the quiet mode when you shut it down? Mine does not work this way. If I shut my car down in the quiet mode then it's still in the quiet mode when I start the car again. It stays in whatever position it was in when the car is switched off.
But mine is a Z06, so maybe it's different from the GS?
My Mild to Wild was dealer installed when I ordered the car so I can't say if it is always this way but yes, whenever I shut the engine down the MTW reverts back to the loud mode. I never questioned it his because I'm happy with it. I know that the Dual Mode Exhaust is a different size on the GS than on the Z06 so it wouldn't surprise me to find out that the default is different. Perhaps it can be modified or perhaps it depends on how it is installed. Any DIY folks out there that casn answer this? Maybe the guys at MTW can answer this.
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Old Nov 25, 2011 | 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Stevenyc777
Let me get this straight .you have to keep the m to w switch in the quite mode for the l.c. to work??
That is correct in my car. I was very frustrated that I could not get LC to engage after repeatedly following the steps to do so. It took 3 trips to the dealer before "Tom the Tech" was able to diagnose the problem as being related to the MTW setting. I'm not saying this is going to happen in all cases because I didn't install the MTW myself but had it done by the dealer before I even picked up the new car. So far the evidence seems to indicate this is the case with GS LC outfitted with MTW. As an aside I want to say that I always thought the fact that I had MSRC (F55) option might have effected this but I don't know.
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Old Nov 25, 2011 | 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by redzone


The only thing the LC is good for is not having to worry about banging off the rev limiter during the inevitable smokey burnout. At least,that was my experience with it on a GS on two seperate occasions. Haven't tried it on a Z06/ZR1.
Red, I'm not trying to imply that Launch Control is better on a dragstrip than a good driver. That would be up to some controlled test where LC is used 10-20 times and measured against a known good driver in the same car 10-20 times as well. I can't even say that it is useful on my GS as I haven't had an opportunity to try it out due to the cold weather and snow here in the "Live Free or Die" state of NH. However I can say that for a non dragster who doesn't get to launch a car with a manual transmission from zero to whatever under full power very often, that the ZR1 I used at Bondurant was absolutely spectacular in putting the power to the wheels without having to worry about hitting the rev limiter during the actual launch or having excessive wheel spin at the friction point of the clutch. The Launch Control feature gave me a perfect takeoff every time. Maybe a pro could have done better but Little Ole Me could not and that to me is the point of LC. I hope my GS will do the same and to be honest with you I can't see why it won't since it is essentialy the same computer controlled system.
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Originally Posted by sdurg24
Red, I'm not trying to imply that Launch Control is better on a dragstrip than a good driver. That would be up to some controlled test where LC is used 10-20 times and measured against a known good driver in the same car 10-20 times as well. I can't even say that it is useful on my GS as I haven't had an opportunity to try it out due to the cold weather and snow here in the "Live Free or Die" state of NH. However I can say that for a non dragster who doesn't get to launch a car with a manual transmission from zero to whatever under full power very often, that the ZR1 I used at Bondurant was absolutely spectacular in putting the power to the wheels without having to worry about hitting the rev limiter during the actual launch or having excessive wheel spin at the friction point of the clutch. The Launch Control feature gave me a perfect takeoff every time. Maybe a pro could have done better but Little Ole Me could not and that to me is the point of LC. I hope my GS will do the same and to be honest with you I can't see why it won't since it is essentialy the same computer controlled system.
It's not even close....even a bad driver can do better at the drag strip. Taking off from idle at the drag strip does better. This is based on my observations of a few Grand Sports at PBIR.

Well I should qualify that...if you're such a bad driver that you don't know what to do and incur uncontrolled wheel spin to redline, then yes, launch control would be better.

The question if you should even be at a drag strip if you can't control wheelspin any better than that is beyond the scope of this discussion.
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Old Nov 25, 2011 | 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Torchsport
Thanks for that info.

I too got to enjoy using launch control on a Bondurant ZR1.
I have learned that Spring Mountain wont allow this.
Bondurant ENCOURAGED us!
You're right about Spring Mountain. One of the things that I had hoped to experience there was the proper technique to employ when using the launch control. When I asked about trying it they said that it was just too hard on the cars and that they did not encourage anyone to use the launch control. That was probably the only negative about the entire Spring Mountain experience. I tried the launch control after the break in period on my ZR1 and it seemed a bit "violent" for lack of a better description. The car shook and shuddered to the point of feeling like it was indeed not healthy for the driveline. It felt as though the spark to the cylinders was being interrupted as the car popped and hopped a bit. I still don't understand exactly how it works or if it is a combination of engine control and brake application to inhibit wheel spin. I assumed that my technique was flawed and had hoped to get a proper demonstration at Spring Mountain. It's hard to imagine that GM would consciously include something on our cars that would lead to more frequent and expensive warranty claims. I honestly don't recall which mode my M2W was in when I tried the launch control that one time over a year ago. How would you describe the feeling of the car using the launch control properly as demonstrated by Bondurant? That one point might be a good enough reason to opt for Bondurant on the next driving school stint.
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Originally Posted by barduch
I tried the launch control after the break in period on my ZR1 and it seemed a bit "violent" for lack of a better description. The car shook and shuddered to the point of feeling like it was indeed not healthy for the driveline. It felt as though the spark to the cylinders was being interrupted as the car popped and hopped a bit. I still don't understand exactly how it works or if it is a combination of engine control and brake application to inhibit wheel spin. I assumed that my technique was flawed and had hoped to get a proper demonstration at Spring Mountain. :
My instructor at Bondurant, Tim Rose, told us to expect that sensation. He took the time to explain what is happening, as the computer is adjusting the throttle when it senses grip loss, in milliseconds. He then gave us an in car demo, before turning us loose in our own cars.
It did appear violent, as you said. It's normal.

If you type "Corvette launch control" into youtube, it gives a better description, and plenty of examples.

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Originally Posted by jschindler
I'll be interested to see if this really fixes the problem or not. I can't wrap my head around why that would cause it to not work, but I do admit that today's cars have very strange electronics and many functions are intertwined.
I hope for the best, but I am skeptical

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Old Nov 25, 2011 | 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe_G
It's not even close....even a bad driver can do better at the drag strip. Taking off from idle at the drag strip does better. This is based on my observations of a few Grand Sports at PBIR.

Well I should qualify that...if you're such a bad driver that you don't know what to do and incur uncontrolled wheel spin to redline, then yes, launch control would be better.

The question if you should even be at a drag strip if you can't control wheelspin any better than that is beyond the scope of this discussion.
Well, I guess that means there is no room for discussion and further tests would be a waste of time to determine whether or not Launch Control is at all effective. Since this is above my pay grade and since the engineers at Corvette are obviously total incompetents I'm at a loss for words. GEEZ and
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Originally Posted by sdurg24
Well, I guess that means there is no room for discussion and further tests would be a waste of time to determine whether or not Launch Control is at all effective. Since this is above my pay grade and since the engineers at Corvette are obviously total incompetents I'm at a loss for words. GEEZ and
I don't know why I post in General. Every thread ends up like this. Sorry if I offended you.

Try launch control at the track for yourself and see what you think.

I did pass along your information to Ed the guy who came up with the mild to wild, perhaps he will make a note in the instructions.
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Old Nov 25, 2011 | 03:56 PM
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The only thing the LC is good for is not having to worry about banging off the rev limiter during the inevitable smokey burnout. At least,that was my experience with it on a GS on two seperate occasions. Haven't tried it on a Z06/ZR1.
In the interest of full disclosure () let me say upfront that my 09 C6 doesn't have Launch Control; I haven't tried LC (but would like to); I never race my C6; and, I haven't drag-raced any car in many years.

That said, I think there are some good uses for LC on a drag strip.

-- Do certain mods really make a car quicker & faster? LC provides a consistent performance-testing technique... sux when your new cold-air intake doesn't make any difference.

-- Seems like LC would be great for bracket racing. Although, it also seems like a bit of a cheat... I'd rather win based on skill & luck.

-- Trying LC for the first time sounds like fun. Certainly I'd expect experienced and/or talented racers would want to try it (like you did), if only out of curiosity to see how it behaves. But I doubt they'd use it regularly -- too boring, where's the challenge, I can go faster without it, etc.

-- LC provides a baseline ETA/MPH... if an experienced and/or talented racer can't beat LC, maybe they aren't as experienced and/or talented as they think.

Actually, according to testing by Car & Driver, using LC doesn't make much difference for the ZR1.


http://www.caranddriver.com/features...tested-feature


To the OP: Definitely keep us posted on whether or not the M2W keeps your LC from engaging.

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Originally Posted by CO Lightfoot
In the interest of full disclosure () let me say upfront that my 09 C6 doesn't have Launch Control; I haven't tried LC (but would like to); I never race my C6; and, I haven't drag-raced any car in many years.

That said, I think there are some good uses for LC on a drag strip.

-- Do certain mods really make a car quicker & faster? LC provides a consistent performance-testing technique... sux when your new cold-air intake doesn't make any difference.

-- Seems like LC would be great for bracket racing. Although, it also seems like a bit of a cheat... I'd rather win based on skill & luck.

-- Trying LC for the first time sounds like fun. Certainly I'd expect experienced and/or talented racers would want to try it (like you did), if only out of curiosity to see how it behaves. But I doubt they'd use it regularly -- too boring, where's the challenge, I can go faster without it, etc.

-- LC provides a baseline ETA/MPH... if an experienced and/or talented racer can't beat LC, maybe they aren't as experienced and/or talented as they think.

Actually, according to testing by Car & Driver, using LC doesn't make much difference for the ZR1.


http://www.caranddriver.com/features...tested-feature


To the OP: Definitely keep us posted on whether or not the M2W keeps your LC from engaging.
Will do Lightfoot and thanks for some great empirical data. Just about what I expected performance wise from what I had experienced on the track.
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Can a diablosport tune cause interference with my 11 Grand sport's launch control? I had an incident earlier today after I installed the standard diablosport performance 93 octane tune. I attempted to use the launch control, but once the GS launched it would not rev past 4500 rpm in 1st, 2nd, or 3rd gear. Not sure what to make of this?
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Can a diablosport tune cause interference with my 11 Grand sport's launch control? I had an incident earlier today after I installed the standard diablosport performance 93 octane tune. I attempted to use the launch control, but once the GS launched it would not rev past 4500 rpm in 1st, 2nd, or 3rd gear. Not sure what to make of this?
Put the stock tune back in and try it. I've had sever diablosport tunes in my mustang and diesel truck. Didn't like them myself.
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First of all, I have the mild to wild switch on my NPP 2011 MN6 GS and the LC works fine in either loud or quiet mode. Second for what it is worth, I was at Spring Mtn 3/12 -3/14 and they did a demo session on launch control, then a launch without it to show the difference, then anyone who wanted to was allowed to try it....... I guess they had heard enough about Bondurant doing it!
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