You couldn't just let it die, could you??

 

petermj can leave his system stock. if that makes him happy then it makes me happy.

to anyone else who is interested in updating their audio system with aftermarket components, come down to the audio sub section. there are a lot of helpful people there. the learning curve can be overcome by reading the threads in the FAQ and the stickies.

i have documented my install here:DIY stealth C6 coupe audio upgrade

if anyone is in the Chicagoland area and would like to listen to my system then PM me. i am confident that my aftermarket system will sound superior to any stock system (maybe even the one with the dash tweeters).

 

Hope you don't mind I borrowed that pic of the two amps side by side from you kedar. That was a perfect shot for comparison.

 

Pretty obvioius GM and Bose get the audio subject better than any of you geniuses. Now, GM has a variety of tweeters it installs in many other GM cars, why would they go with a coaxial instead in this install? Because maybe maybe they understand that high frequency driver in that location in the doors is a total waste?

So what is exactly wrong with the OEM drivers? Seems like OEM drivers are technologically more advanced than that Polk junk, inverted magnets offer advantages conventional Polks cannot, remind me of my old Illusion Audio drivers. I know for the fact Polk components are mediocre at best, Bose style, installed them for others in the past, total junk. Congrats on that 10 inch RF crappy TEN inch woofer replacing the couple of tens you had in the doors, absolutely brilliant, considering you stuffed that thumper in a sealed encllosure as far as possible from the listener as possible. So now, you have ear piercing tweeters and midrange shooting at your knees and thumping sounds coming from the very back of your car and no doubt it is very difficult to tell where your little thumper is... LOL...

Again, GM is smarter than people like you, the amp is matched to the drivers, they are high sensitivity drivers about 95-96 dB, needing very little power to reach their max output. Easy to increase the output by installing simple capacitors on the woofers, they will give you more bass than your Polk turds anyday because they are larger and UP FRONT, unlike your little thumper all the way in the back. Thumbs down to your effort and counterargument.

 

no worries. the photos are there to help understand the difference in size between the stock amp and the aftermarket amps. incredibly, those aftermarket amps (arc audio mini ks125.4 and ks 500.1) actually fit in the passenger footwell in place of the stock amp. the install location has a major tradeoff; namely difficulty of adjusting the sub amp.

the audio system in my brother's 09 CTS (great sounding stock system) and my wife's 11 Mustang (shaker 500) both sounded better than the stock system in my 10 vette. after upgrading the vette's system, those systems pale in comparison. this is my subjective opinion and i am sticking to it.

 

 

the nice thing about this forum is that members (generally) don't put each other down. demerits to you for doing just that. you obviously have strong opinions, which should be applauded, but you should recognize that not everyone shares your opinions. if you would like to share your strong opinions then they would be most welcome in the audio sub-forum.

 

Work on your install and fabrication skills since there is no need to cut up the dash in your car. It is OK to make mistakes as long as you understand where you go wrong and learn from it not to repeat it. Humility you lack a lot, along with audio knowledge and install and fabrication skills.

 

It would be nice if you were correct about that. ptermj is not the only person on this forum with the tact of dung throwing silverback.

 

apparently you missed previous posts directed at me, I stay civilized as long as there is reciprocity and it is a fact GM is smarter than these geniuses and knows more about car audio. This is not an insult, this is a fact.

 

I agree that it's ok to make mistakes. I didn't "go wrong" anywhere in my install. I just stated that my system would be further enhanced by adding a center channel speaker for front stage presence. I was actually AGREEING with you for once, but alas, you have to continue to be an ***, stating that I lack audio knowledge and fabrication skills, neither of which are true. I never claimed to be an audio genius or a master craftsman, but you continue to bash everyone including me when you have never once shown a project that you've done, hiding behind the excuse that it's not worth your money to change the stock C6 stereo. Ok then, show us another car that you've worked on. You bragged in an earlier post that if someone were in the area, you'd show them what good sound is by showing them your car/house setup...

Oh, and I lack humility? That's priceless coming from you.

hu·mil·i·ty - noun
1. the quality or condition of being humble; modest opinion or estimate of one's own importance, rank, etc.
2. the quality of being modest and respectful.

Nothing you have said on any audio thread has EVER fallen under that definition.

 

Reading this string has been . . . Interesting.

I am probably the only person in the known universe who thinks the base system in my base 2007 C6 is perfectly adequate.

Of course, the Magnaflows are always a pleasure to listen to, as well.

 

So I know I said I was done, and I am done feeding the troll. However for everyone else I figured I would share my experiences. Since I actually have experience and not just a bunch of car audio magazines.

There is a difference between sound quality and staging. However they effect each other very very much.

Sound quality is faithful reproduction of the recorded sound. To do this, you need a RTA (frequency spectrum analyzer). You must place the microphone where your are going to listen to the sound. The reason you must do this is soundwaves of different frequencies will reflect off the vehicle's surfaces and combine in different ways. Some frequencies will amplify and others will be muted. So from a true faithful sound reproduction perspective speaker positioning is key. Moving your head or the speaker a few inches can make a drastic difference in how the sound waves are combined and therefore how the music sounds.

Once you have placed your speakers a multiband equalizer can help reduce or magnify any remaining frequency ranges that are being summated. Another thing that can be done is place sound deadening pads on key areas which are reflecting. Neither is that common in car audio. However most highend audio cars will have an eq. My C5 had a 30 band per channel (30 frequency adjustments) equalizer with time delay function. I also have a pretty nice RTA.

HOWEVER. When you configure a stereo to be perfectly flat across all frequencies, most people will not like it. I believe the reason is you are now at the mercy of how the artist originally designed it. As in, you might get the bass that you like or you might not. Most people I met in the car-audio world had eq settings for 'flat' and eq settings for daily listening.


I built my C5 with car audio in mind. I mounted my speakers in little boxes and moved them all around the cabin listening, tweaking, trying to find the best location. Took me weeks. What I found was there is no good placement locations on the corvette. It is too small & there are too many reflective surfaces. I chose the A-pillars for my tweeters because it raised the sound stage nothing more. My complicated EQ was used to compensate for the lack of placement options.

SO I finished my C5 and with a nearly flat RTA and a pretty good expansive sound stage, I should have been happy right? Nope. What I found was I never wanted to sit in my car and listen to music in the garage. Road noise detracted from the audio nuances. When I had people in the car, an advanced stereo was in the way of any conversation even at low volume. Plus I realised I didn't really care that much. I just wanted to hear my music and didn't really care if it was 'coming from in front of me' or not; and I certainly didn't care how the original artist indended it.


So I am about to buy a C6. What are my plans for it? I plan to leave it stock for a while, but keep my fancy MB Quart q 3way component speakers. Eventually I'm sure I'll install them, but I know I'll put them in the stock location. The reason? I have heard the difference a high-end audio car install can make and I'm just not that impressed by it.

 

Although I put the Infinitys in my 2007 way back when (Infinitys are generally very efficient and do not need a lot of power to get fantastic sound), I am now content with the sound from the base system in my 2011 not because it couldn't be even better, just because it is more than good enough for me when engaged in the primary activity of driving my Vette.

 

This is why you go on and on? Thanks for sharing your HANDS ON experiences Now, I'll go back to reading my magazines. Judging from how you figured me out and my magazine knowledge, I am not surprised at all you failed at your audio system attempts and decided to use stock locations.

 

Well no, you are not the only one, especially given the alternative of these "upgrades".

 

Well good and agreed although it may help you figure out who started this thread. Next time you see a thread like this one, request to have it moved to audio section right away, a certain way to keep me out because I would not touch that section if somebody paid me, although it may be useful if I ever feel down and need a few chuckles

 

The Bose system in my C6 just SUCKS!!!!!!! because GM is smarter.

 

I'm sure there is another reason you won't post in the audio forum. You'd end up on the wrong side of all kinds of lopsided battles like this one.
I do have one last request before I stop posting in this thread. Would you please share with us your current system in your C6? An expert like you MUST have something we all should behold and envy.