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From: "Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward; for there you have been
Originally Posted by BettermostCorvette
If it turns out to be a bad motor don't replace it. Insist on the Dealer contacting the zone office and demand a replacement car period! This is done all the time. Many 427s still in Dealers inventories for GM to get you another. Screw that.
The service dept hasn't opened up the engine yet...still waiting on the oil pump to arrive. Even if it is JUST a stuck pressure relief valve, I am not so sure how I feel about a Chevy line mechanic opening up my Wixom built LS7. Plus all this warranty activity is going to show up on my VIS and Carfax..... that alone bothers me enough to put the brakes on any warranty work and start talking about replacing the car. This at 357 miles??? My confidence is a bit shakey.... what would you in my place??
XmP
Last edited by XmentalPilot; Jun 16, 2013 at 11:08 AM.
with just 357 miles, i would insist on a new car. there is no way repairs should be required on a car with 357 miles on it. will it be repaired correctly? will other issues show up not too long down the road? me, i say, new car.
My friend's RV-4 had a Lycoming AEIO-320 in it and was painted with Imron in bright red with black ray accents on the tail with yellow highlights. I forget which wood prop he had but it would cruise at 183 kias. I've personally pulled 7g's in it doing aerobatics. Great fun! and it has such good slow speed manners and short field capability. Always loved the view out of that canopy.
Re: your knock problem
As someone mentioned earlier, I would talk to the regional rep and press your case for a new car. At 357 miles, its just not worth worrying about going forward. It's their problem, not yours.
I have a little over 300 miles on my 427 'vert and this AM after washing and a short spin dry I started hearing a pretty loud knocking noise around 2500RPM. At first I thought it was the car passing me on the left.... oil pressure is down to 15PSI max at idle and the fill level is normal..... the knocking is almost undetectable at idle... but from 1500RPM up it gets pretty noisey. [...]
With low oil pressure my first thought as to noise would be noisy lifters (not enuf pressure to pump them up so the rockers are rattling due to lash). This would not really sound like a knocking noise, tho... more like a clattering noise. Hard to describe, may not be it, but food for thought. I once got the distributor mis-indexed in the oil pump on a 283 Mustang (girlfriend's car, don't ask )... fired it up, hydraulic lifters made a lot of clattering noise since it didn't have any oil pressure. Oops. Had to drop the pan to figure it out (Chevys didn't have such a screwy setup) . . . didn't seem to be any the worse for wear after that, but I didn't pull any bearings to find out for certain.
Nice avatar.
"High Flight"
Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of Earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I’ve climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
of sun-split clouds, — and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of — wheeled and soared and swung
High in the sunlit silence. Hov’ring there,
I’ve chased the shouting wind along, and flung
My eager craft through footless halls of air....
Up, up the long, delirious, burning blue
I’ve topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace.
Where never lark, or even eagle flew —
And, while with silent, lifting mind I've trod
The high untrespassed sanctity of space,
- Put out my hand, and touched the face of God.
I have a little over 300 miles on my 427 'vert and this AM after washing and a short spin dry I started hearing a pretty loud knocking noise around 2500RPM. At first I thought it was the car passing me on the left.... oil pressure is down to 15PSI max at idle and the fill level is normal..... the knocking is almost undetectable at idle... but from 1500RPM up it gets pretty noisey. [...]
Another thought... you could already have a spun rod bearing. The symptom would be low oil pressure and knocking. Might also be slow to crank (start), like the battery or starter are going bad.
Cut open the oil filter look for shiny particles.
Drain oil, take a sample while doing so, then strain the used oil thru some type of cloth or paper filter (cheesecloth or whatever they use these days).
Send sample off to a lab like Blackstone for analysis (or take to a local Speedco truck oil change facility if you have one -- they can do oil analysis on the spot).
All this will be difficult since you have to deal with dealer/warranty. At the very least you could suck an oil sample out of the oil tank with a turkey baster or big syringe or some such. Good luck.
The service dept hasn't opened up the engine yet...still waiting on the oil pump to arrive. Even if it is JUST a stuck pressure relief valve, I am not so sure how I feel about a Chevy line mechanic opening up my Wixom built LS7. Plus all this warranty activity is going to show up on my VIS and Carfax..... that alone bothers me enough to put the brakes on any warranty work and start talking about replacing the car. This at 357 miles??? My confidence is a bit shakey.... what would you in my place??
Sorry,but this is just ridiculous.I mean,it's your car and you feel the way you feel but seriously??Replace the car because a part broke? Will you replace your house if the hot water heater blows?A window breaks??No,of course not..you replace THE PART! That is what a warranty is for.Who cares if it shows up on the VIS report..it will say warranty work performed or something along those lines...big deal.Let them replace whatever needs replacing and drive on.
Sorry,but this is just ridiculous.I mean,it's your car and you feel the way you feel but seriously??Replace the car because a part broke? Will you replace your house if the hot water heater blows?A window breaks??No,of course not..you replace THE PART! That is what a warranty is for.Who cares if it shows up on the VIS report..it will say warranty work performed or something along those lines...big deal.Let them replace whatever needs replacing and drive on.
Hell's bells. I picked up my car and didn't go past first gear and I told them the clutch was bad. It chattered. The guy loading or unloading it from the truck melted the clutch disc. They told me it would "break in". I went to my local dealer, had the mechanic get in and drive. He never got to 2nd. He said the clutch was bad. They replaced everything in the clutch. Less than 200 miles.
Big deal. Parts go bad. Fix the part. Drive the car. Be happy!
Sorry,but this is just ridiculous.I mean,it's your car and you feel the way you feel but seriously??Replace the car because a part broke? Will you replace your house if the hot water heater blows?A window breaks??No,of course not..you replace THE PART! That is what a warranty is for.Who cares if it shows up on the VIS report..it will say warranty work performed or something along those lines...big deal.Let them replace whatever needs replacing and drive on.
That's what you should do then if that ever happens to you. I also believe the OP will do what he deems best for himself. If it were me though, I wouldn't want a service tech at a dealership replacing a major component of my brand new car and create the likely chance that lots of other things could go wrong as a result of him replacing the engine.
Sorry,but this is just ridiculous.I mean,it's your car and you feel the way you feel but seriously??Replace the car because a part broke? Will you replace your house if the hot water heater blows?A window breaks??No,of course not..you replace THE PART! That is what a warranty is for.Who cares if it shows up on the VIS report..it will say warranty work performed or something along those lines...big deal.Let them replace whatever needs replacing and drive on.
In later years this car will be devalued with a crate motor in it without numbers matching. Its just how it works in the Corvette world. I myself would never accept a brand new car with a bad motor. My Lawyer would have had a letter on its way to the Dealer by now. The OP spent a ton of $ on this car and he deserves one with at least a few thousand miles on it before it blows up.
Last edited by BettermostCorvette; Jun 17, 2013 at 12:39 PM.
Another thought... you could already have a spun rod bearing. The symptom would be low oil pressure and knocking.
This is a good possibility. This happens in the TBSS' LS2 as they get starved for oil because GM put the oil pickup in the front of the oil pan unlike the C6. If that is the case, I wonder if GM would replace with a new engine or a re-manufactured unit?
A clutch is NOT that expensive. A hot water tank is NOT a huge expense in relation to the cost of the house. The ENGINE is worth how much of the cost of the car? Exactly. Its the lifeblood.
Clutch is something that is designed to be replaced. A hot water tank is designed to be replaced. The ENGINE should out last everything else on the car other than the frame.
Get a new car. At 357 miles I can tell you THAT car would not be in my driveway. Who cares if it just shows that it had warranty work. I wouldnt touch that car with a 10 foot pole knowing it had an oil pump changed out and if it needs rebuilt I sure as **** wouldnt trust some idiot in a GM garage. Sorry to sound that way but 99% of the fools I have dealt with at a GM garage I wouldnt let change a damn tire.
From: "Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward; for there you have been
Originally Posted by Mark200X
"High Flight"
Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of Earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I’ve climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
of sun-split clouds, — and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of — wheeled and soared and swung
High in the sunlit silence. Hov’ring there,
I’ve chased the shouting wind along, and flung
My eager craft through footless halls of air....
Up, up the long, delirious, burning blue
I’ve topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace.
Where never lark, or even eagle flew —
And, while with silent, lifting mind I've trod
The high untrespassed sanctity of space,
- Put out my hand, and touched the face of God.
Hell's bells. I picked up my car and didn't go past first gear and I told them the clutch was bad. It chattered. The guy loading or unloading it from the truck melted the clutch disc. They told me it would "break in". I went to my local dealer, had the mechanic get in and drive. He never got to 2nd. He said the clutch was bad. They replaced everything in the clutch. Less than 200 miles.
Big deal. Parts go bad. Fix the part. Drive the car. Be happy!
Elmer
well, maybe thats your feelings about your car. me, i didn't buy a matrix or focus, so i would make a much bigger deal about the situation. you paid quite a bit for these car's, i wouldn't expect things like that to happen after just a few hundred miles. to me, thats bs.