There's always this;

 

I was going to say that my rear tires wear out too soon....but I certainly don't want to be snide, offend or have too much time on my hands to state such......and definitely not put humor into a thread

 

Oh Oh....humor again.....
I like your post unicorn good one!

 

Actually, no I don't have anything better to do and obviously neither do you since you responded to my post so quickly.

FYI - I wasn't referring to your original question, but rather was just making a simple tongue-in-cheek observation and comment regarding the ensuing discussion in general. Therefore, you can unbunch your panties.

 

It sure does take a lot of effort and time to hold that button up.

 

I don't quite understand this kinda stuff either. One of the most absurd features on other cars I hear people talk about is rain sensing wipers. If I am ever so stupid that I cant see it raining and so lazy I cant move my finger an inch to turn on the wipers, god help me.

 

I want GM to put buttons for both windows on the passenger door so my GF can operate my window for me because my fingers are busy flipping off Prius drivers.

And......she can reach the wiper control stalk so that's already covered,

 

True sports car enthusiasts don't need:

Automatic Transmissions - probably 80% of modern Corvettes have this
Touchpad door entry - 100% of C6's have this
Leather interiors
Air conditioning
Dual-zone climate control
Heated Seats
Keyless entry/ignition
Alarm systems
Traction Control
Automatic headlights
Satellite radio
Targa tops
Convertible tops
"auto-down" windows
Power windows
Heads up display

Every C-6 has most of these "unnecessary" features. Is the Corvette less of a sports car because the windows hava an "auto-down" feature? Why would it be a lesser sports car if it had an "auto-up" feature?

I don't think anyone's complaining...it's just puzzlement with the omission of a convenience technology available years before in other cars...a technology that seems lacking considering the rest of the Corvette's convenience items not necessary for true sports car enthusiasts.

 

My C6 will do 0 to 60 in about 4.5 seconds. Would the 2008 Cadillac do that? Why not, they're both GM cars aren't they. Don't those 2 divisions talk to each other?

My C6 will do 180 on the top end. Would the 2008 Cadillac do that? Why not, they're both GM cars, aren't they? Don't those 2 divisions talk to each other?

You think maybe those 2 cars were built for different things, even they're both GM cars?

 

Completely agree but I would like to have the ability to modify parts of the computer software. After all true sports car enthusiasts like to tinker. <full disclosure I do this for a living> If I come up with something interesting, I'd even contribute it to GM. Sports car people upgrade, modify, rebuild, and customize their cars so why not the software as well. I think that GM is missing a market, by not exposing the software to modification. (Yes, I know the emission stuff is controlled by the fed's and I am not talking about that ...)

My 2 cents

 

I understand what you're trying to say here, but it really doesn't hold water to this conversation. Regardless of the size of the engine, or the demographic the car was designed for, each one has windows, and a person who operates them. I would think that same person would want the same simple feature on both "expensive" vehicles. My 2010 Mazda 3 has the auto up feature. GM missed the boat on this convenience.

 

I think are two questions:
1. Teams talking
2. Computer application

1. I wouldn't be surprised if the team that designed the window system on your caddy was the team who designed them on the vette! But they probably didn't have final control of the application of that feature. Maybe they had some influence, but again, my guess is that the feature cost $X to apply, and in an effort to keep the cost down someone (probably higher up) had to decide whether it goes on the car or not.

There's many examples of this on the vette: power telescoping steering wheel, but not power tilt. Power sliding seat, but not power reclining. That's just two areas that one would expect better for a vehicle of this price. As the designers add stuff, the price will go up.

I think they were trying to make the best bang for the buck sports car. Ever. And I think they accomplished it. So there will be short-comings here and there. It is what it is.

2. The development cost is not simply applying a new computer. It's developing the programming that's inside. Your window behaves differently depending on the temperature, the speed you're driving, battery voltage, how worn the window system is, etc. All of those things (and more) must be taken into account when designing software that can reliably detect an obstacle over the vehicles life.

Someone probably didn't think the cost / effort for this was necessary and it didn't fit the "vision" or "theme" of this vehicle.


On a side-note. I completely agree with you about the application of auto-up! On a normal car (i.e. not my sports cars), not having auto-up windows can be a deal breaker. If it was an option I'd be willing to pay the extra cost. I feel having driver only auto is the most annoying thing in the world. So I'm willing to take the ridicule with ya

 

It does appear to me that Atomic Z has hit at least some of the points accurately. Altho it may not always be the same objective (some would say the heavier C7 is in that category), the C6 was made with many goals in mind one of which was lightness, and another being cost to consumer. Granted, auto-up or power tilt or auto-dim passenger side mirror adds little (either weight or cost) but it all does add up.

Point number 2 of Atomic's post, however, is especially relevant since the concern for lighter weight resulted in the close-to-minimum size charging system in the car. We've read about batteries going down somewhat early in their lifespan (believe it's an 84-month battery), so every draw or drain on the batt/charging system is a real concern. As an example, throughout the years, I've read of C6s going dead when a radio is left on during a car wash and polish.*

As an aside, my daily driver has all the bells of 3-mirror auto-dim, all-window auto up, power tilt seats, power recline, etc. But even on this somewhat luxo-barge, it wasn't always that way in its model run since just a few years prior it lacked some of the power stuff that was available in other cars. It was also much lighter (by about 200 lbs. or more) in those prior model years which can mean on the highway about a 5 mpg improvement (my stats prove it).

* Still happening, and it's a '12 model year car. https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...n-2-weeks.html

 

I tried contacting the maker of Window Valet as I would think that if anyone could do it they could. Sadly, never any response.

I have used the various aftermarket modules available on many other cars. But these cars that have automatic electric tops that have computer controlled windows are a bear.

As far as safety goes, it is pretty straight forward as the aftermarket units I have used measure the current used by the motors and when they hit something, like a child's neck, their either stop or reverse as the motor draws more current. No Guillotines anymore with microprocessors.

 

Don't let it bother you for a second.
Snide, snarky, wise *** remarks are a way of life on most forums.
Most people mean nothing by them. Those that do, are usually ignored.
It's a forum, enjoy it.

See, another snarky, snide, wise *** insult, right here.
That comment was uncalled for...what about people who are blind, and cannot see the rain. Never thought about that did you!

 

Funny thing is, they already programmed the windows to index when opening and closing the doors. Programming them to 'auto up' wouldn't have been a big deal.

 

I would prefer manual windows, mechanical door locks, and a keyed ignition.

 

and all I wanted was to learn if there was a known mod for auto-up, like there was for my Supra!

 

Big mistake!

 

Things can sometimes get a little out of hand here, but usually in a good way.....lol