Auto-Up Windows?
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My C6 will do 0 to 60 in about 4.5 seconds. Would the 2008 Cadillac do that? Why not, they're both GM cars aren't they. Don't those 2 divisions talk to each other?
My C6 will do 180 on the top end. Would the 2008 Cadillac do that? Why not, they're both GM cars, aren't they? Don't those 2 divisions talk to each other?
You think maybe those 2 cars were built for different things, even they're both GM cars?
My C6 will do 180 on the top end. Would the 2008 Cadillac do that? Why not, they're both GM cars, aren't they? Don't those 2 divisions talk to each other?
You think maybe those 2 cars were built for different things, even they're both GM cars?
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I think are two questions:
1. Teams talking
2. Computer application
1. I wouldn't be surprised if the team that designed the window system on your caddy was the team who designed them on the vette! But they probably didn't have final control of the application of that feature. Maybe they had some influence, but again, my guess is that the feature cost $X to apply, and in an effort to keep the cost down someone (probably higher up) had to decide whether it goes on the car or not.
There's many examples of this on the vette: power telescoping steering wheel, but not power tilt. Power sliding seat, but not power reclining. That's just two areas that one would expect better for a vehicle of this price. As the designers add stuff, the price will go up.
I think they were trying to make the best bang for the buck sports car. Ever. And I think they accomplished it. So there will be short-comings here and there. It is what it is.
2. The development cost is not simply applying a new computer. It's developing the programming that's inside. Your window behaves differently depending on the temperature, the speed you're driving, battery voltage, how worn the window system is, etc. All of those things (and more) must be taken into account when designing software that can reliably detect an obstacle over the vehicles life.
Someone probably didn't think the cost / effort for this was necessary and it didn't fit the "vision" or "theme" of this vehicle.
On a side-note. I completely agree with you about the application of auto-up! On a normal car (i.e. not my sports cars), not having auto-up windows can be a deal breaker. If it was an option I'd be willing to pay the extra cost. I feel having driver only auto is the most annoying thing in the world. So I'm willing to take the ridicule with ya
1. Teams talking
2. Computer application
1. I wouldn't be surprised if the team that designed the window system on your caddy was the team who designed them on the vette! But they probably didn't have final control of the application of that feature. Maybe they had some influence, but again, my guess is that the feature cost $X to apply, and in an effort to keep the cost down someone (probably higher up) had to decide whether it goes on the car or not.
There's many examples of this on the vette: power telescoping steering wheel, but not power tilt. Power sliding seat, but not power reclining. That's just two areas that one would expect better for a vehicle of this price. As the designers add stuff, the price will go up.
I think they were trying to make the best bang for the buck sports car. Ever. And I think they accomplished it. So there will be short-comings here and there. It is what it is.
2. The development cost is not simply applying a new computer. It's developing the programming that's inside. Your window behaves differently depending on the temperature, the speed you're driving, battery voltage, how worn the window system is, etc. All of those things (and more) must be taken into account when designing software that can reliably detect an obstacle over the vehicles life.
Someone probably didn't think the cost / effort for this was necessary and it didn't fit the "vision" or "theme" of this vehicle.
On a side-note. I completely agree with you about the application of auto-up! On a normal car (i.e. not my sports cars), not having auto-up windows can be a deal breaker. If it was an option I'd be willing to pay the extra cost. I feel having driver only auto is the most annoying thing in the world. So I'm willing to take the ridicule with ya
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Lew, aren't you glad you asked your question?
If a guy starts a thread or posts a suggestion on this Forum it can lead to to most anything but a reply with any substance.
Keeps us old farts that type 3 words a minute out of the conversations I guess, flame away.
If a guy starts a thread or posts a suggestion on this Forum it can lead to to most anything but a reply with any substance.
Keeps us old farts that type 3 words a minute out of the conversations I guess, flame away.
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Agree. My spouse's $35K Hyundai Genesis has at least 1-2 dozen more luxury features than the Corvette, including a sound system which sounds like a concert hall. Still, I wouldn't trade.
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I'm not an expert on GM cars and don't know which window switch computer was used as the "base" for the C6 (if one was used at all). There can be lots of hidden costs to add auto up: tooling changes to add the double-click feeling on the upstroke, processor capability, etc. Not to mention the engineering development effort required, small volume sales, etc.
Fundamentally I agree that it likely wouldn't raise the price of the car substantially, and GM certainly had the capability to design it. Again, it was probably on the chopping block to help keep the cost down for one reason or another. Someone who wants to purchase a vette is not likely going to walk away from the car due to a few missing electronic goodies. It's a niche vehicle. However, feature content counts a little more in the typical consumer market (Malibu, Camry, etc.).
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my bmw 750il has auto up on all 4 windows. but I do believe most cars don't have it because its a safety hazard, not because its to expensive to do.
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From: Atlanta GA
most would like to have the auto up function.....especially since a lot of very basic cars come standard.....which goes to show its not a cost issue, or a safety issue...... no need to make excuses for the omission......they have now cured it on the c7.....just another reason for people to go buy the latest greatest.....
but since the window valet can overcome the software,I am surprised that some genius hasn't figured a way to hack this.....
but since the window valet can overcome the software,I am surprised that some genius hasn't figured a way to hack this.....